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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan Coburn View Post
    This is my point.

    There's gotta be a middle ground.

    How about this for an acrynom: "EMTODBUIEIEYL"...Everybody Mind Their Own Damn Business Unless It Effects Your Life.
    Jordan Coburn is the Aristotle of RxMuscle...that's A+ meathead philosophy right there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by salali86 View Post
    You still have to produce a legendary bodybuilder using these new methods to prove them.
    What about all the shitty bodybuilders the "old methods" have produced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-NUTZ View Post
    What about all the shitty bodybuilders the "old methods" have produced?
    The probably didn't put in the hour - hour and a half + daily of cardio, train smart, and probably didn't diet hard enough. Any combination of these would have messed them up.

    If you say the old method didn't work for some but the new ways did, my answer would be that may be true, but there still is a chance that they did not do it right.

    In the end we know what type of bodybuilder the old methods have the potential to produce, which would make it obligatory to teach and respect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salali86 View Post
    The probably didn't put in the hour - hour and a half + daily of cardio, train smart, and probably didn't diet hard enough. Any combination of these would have messed them up.

    If you say the old method didn't work for some but the new ways did, my answer would be that may be true, but there still is a chance that they did not do it right.

    In the end we know what type of bodybuilder the old methods have the potential to produce, which would make it obligatory to teach and respect them.
    The "old methods" have nothing to do with how good of a bodybuilder you will be.

    I guarentee if I was (insert top bodybuilder here) coach...I could feed him different foods and he'd look exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-NUTZ View Post
    The "old methods" have nothing to do with how good of a bodybuilder you will be.

    I guarentee if I was (insert top bodybuilder here) coach...I could feed him different foods and he'd look exactly the same.
    You can say that, but all that matters is if you have done it, until it is done then your claim is the real bro science that has no place being stated as fact.

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    If we're talking about training for example, Dorian Yates himself said that had he done volume training he might have come in much better shape. That's a professional's statement, there's an Islamic saying " a sign of a scholar is his acceptance of the other man's theory, and his criticism of himself", what dorian said and chris aceto's article from last week go to show you that those who know best realize how much they don't know. I suggest you take that mind set, it's evidence and opinion, present what they did and what they got, no matter what your opinion is - then express your preference. Arrogance will only blind you (atleast I hope i'm not being arrogant)

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    According to Plato, his great teacher Socrates said (In the Apology), "The reason I know more than my rivals is this: I know what I don't know, & they do not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifrommike65 View Post
    According to Plato, his great teacher Socrates said (In the Apology), "The reason I know more than my rivals is this: I know what I don't know, & they do not."
    Not even remotely accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natenator View Post
    Not even remotely accurate.
    What are you contradicting?

    Actually Socrates just said "I know nothing"

    it was the Oracle at Delphi that said he was the wisest man alive because he correctly believed he knew nothing, where other men falsely believed they knew something.

    The Socratic axiom "I know nothing"
    Means we should never be so conceited as to believe -
    That our perception IS reality.
    "I know nothing" means admitting we are guessing.
    And by that admission - we remain teachable.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8123601AAivcoF

    When I left him, I reasoned thus with myself: I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.

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    The entire quote and its' context is what I am contradicting.

    Many attribute the quote "I know that I know nothing" to Socrates from Plato's Apology yet no where in Apology (or Republic) is such a quote written though it can be pieced together through inference but the quote which Mike ascribed to Socrates via Plato in Apology definitely does not exist. Certainly not in an version I've read. Though I don't speak latin so I cannot vouch for native versions of the text.


    interestingly enough, Apology in latin actually means Defense, so Socrates wasn't offering an Apology of himself or his actions but rather he was in defense of them but I digress lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    What are you contradicting?

    Actually Socrates just said "I know nothing"

    it was the Oracle at Delphi that said he was the wisest man alive because he correctly believed he knew nothing, where other men falsely believed they knew something.

    The Socratic axiom "I know nothing"
    Means we should never be so conceited as to believe -
    That our perception IS reality.
    "I know nothing" means admitting we are guessing.
    And by that admission - we remain teachable.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8123601AAivcoF

    When I left him, I reasoned thus with myself: I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates

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    Most people will only follow ANY method or diet 75/80%......to truly try something out you have to go in 100%.

    Why haven't I had more success? Even after all these years I would say 92/95% is all I have ever been able to muster for any contest and this is after about 60 or 70 times competing.

    I keep striving for 100% though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave pulcinella View Post
    I find it interesting that in the past 5 years, all the effective behaviors that bodybuilders have discovered over the past 100 years are now deemed "old school" and are considered " unnecessary and silly".

    1) eating every few hours: no longer necessary
    2) eating specific foods: no longer necessary. (Iifym)
    3) eating at all!: not necessary. (Apparently you can now get huge while fasting. Who knew!?)
    4) doing lots of cardio: this is the devil himself! you can now get the same results with 17 seconds of HIIT cardio every 5 the day and thus avoid that ubiquitous METABOLIC DAMAGE!

    is it a coincidence that:

    A) It's all the difficult shit that has to go?

    B) There isn't one TOP bodybuilder who has abandoned their draconian ways in favor of these " new and improved" tenets ?

    C) The lineups at every major show I attended this year had way higher numbers and way lower quality?

    Anyone? Anyone?
    sorry, how many pro shows did you win not training like a pussy?
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    its simple rlly most people dont take the amount of drugs most serious competitors do , the way pro Bodybuilders train is ineffective for people who are not on decent amount of gear. And just like any sport their will always be advancements as time goes on its not about who works the hardest its about who works the smartest. If it was about hard work only then my uncle Juan who works in the fields 8 hours a day then does A/C repair in 110 degree whether for 6 hours every day would be a millionaire

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    I see a pro qualification in bodybuilding, & a pro win, as similar to gambling with a roulette wheel. For the little ball to go into the right slot, innumerable factors have to go your way. I'll run down the main ones.

    * Your training must go right, & you must start your training for a show well before your competitors are deciding whether they even want to enter it. You must avoid injuries at all costs.

    * Your diet must go right, & you must not get off your diet for more than one day a month. (One of my all-time fave statements in bodybuilding is from the Teen Nationals winner profiled in Muscle & Fitness. "He loves pizza, & has it once a year.")

    * Your stress level must stay down, & your sleep habits must be regular & sufficient for recovery after training.

    * Your supplementation regime must be affordable, on target, & tracked by a sympathetic physician.

    * You must have a helicopter trainer/nutritionist who hovers around you every day, or several times a week, even if it's online coaching.

    * You must be the best poser in your division, practice it daily in front of front & back mirrors, & have your posing critiqued by others who can catch your posing flaws. Posing is the art of illusion, & critiques can catch posing flaws magnified by stage lighting. (Lee Labrada said in the late '80s that he intended to be the best poser in the world, & he practiced an hour a day. It showed onstage. He beat men much bigger than him.)

    * You must have a support group that will put your needs first for the prep window up to a show (& help you come down from it). I've seen (& heard!) so-called supporters who were throwing their friends off by getting them worked up about bad judging (which happens at every contest; Lee Priest was sitting at a judging table once when he heard people behind him yelling, "Our friend got screwed!" He turned to them & said, "Get used to it. I had to.")

    * If all the above is in place, it doesn't matter if you're old school, new school, or no school. You will find the things that work for you. Everyone's path is different, because everyone is unique. If you've done all these things, then it doesn't matter how the contest goes. You have won it before you stepped onstage. You brought your level best to the stage, & let the chips fall where they may.

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