how do handle the dreaded question

[Ninja Loco]

You are right in a sense..

To accurately represent what I am pissed about, is something like this:

YouTube - Gustavo Badell is 100% Natural

Someone making themself feel superior even though they know they are not. An egotistical problem for sure. Like people on steroids in natural competitions, or people like the chicken breast guy at my gym.

I hear you loud and clear, I cant stand liars either. But this really is too much of a grey area to cover with a simple yes or no. In YOUR case, it really comes back to you. You said you asked someone that "everyone knew used" and he told you a lie. No offense but, so what? If YOU "knew", then use that knowlwdge to your benefit, dont derile someone for telling you something that you didnt want to hear. Reason or no reason, neither you nor I are not entitled to any knowledge of anyone's personal life. Same goes for that ass hat Baddell.

[Tre]

Do you really expect society to educate themselves on a fringe sport and the use of performance enhancing drugs?

Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and golf are hardly 'fringe sports' (except maybe golf, of course).

The thing is, there are tons of people who use, yet don't compete in *anything*.

If we expect our opinions and feelings to dictate what other people can do in their personal lives then, yes, we ought to be more educated on the pertinent subjects.

[GirlyMuscle]

I know what the_gift is trying to say. It's like the part of Bigger Stronger Faster when Chris Bell explains that growing up he wanted to be like Hulk Hogan. "Eat right, say your prayers, take your vitamins." Truth is it's train your ass off, eat right and shoot up. It's misleading to others who aren't "in the know" to think that these guys are natties and they can achieve the same results.

[Tatyana]

Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and golf are hardly 'fringe sports' (except maybe golf, of course).

The thing is, there are tons of people who use, yet don't compete in *anything*.

If we expect our opinions and feelings to dictate what other people can do in their personal lives then, yes, we ought to be more educated on the pertinent subjects.

Yes, aren't there anti-doping regulations within each of those sports?



I was referring to bodybuilding, power lifting and strongman, where you have to seek out tested or natural shows.

Try to explain to people it isn't cheating when Mr. Olympia uses steroids.

[Ninja Loco]

I know what the_gift is trying to say. It's like the part of Bigger Stronger Faster when Chris Bell explains that growing up he wanted to be like Hulk Hogan. "Eat right, say your prayers, take your vitamins." Truth is it's train your ass off, eat right and shoot up. It's misleading to others who aren't "in the know" to think that these guys are natties and they can achieve the same results.

It's not misleading. If it was legal, I could understand it being misleading. Since it's illegal and carries a social stigma, it's called CYA at the very least.

[GirlyMuscle]

It's not misleading. If it was legal, I could understand it being misleading. Since it's illegal and carries a social stigma, it's called CYA at the very least.

It is misleading. How many people back in the 80s or whenever Hogan was a big deal, actually understood what he really did to have that body? I understand why he didn't admit it. I was just saying that it's leads to misunderstanding by young men of how to get a body like that. That's what the_gift was saying. By not admitting usage, natties think they have the hope of looking like a juicer.

[Ninja Loco]

It is misleading. How many people back in the 80s or whenever Hogan was a big deal, actually understood what he really did to have that body? I understand why he didn't admit it. I was just saying that it's leads to misunderstanding by young men of how to get a body like that. That's what the_gift was saying. By not admitting usage, natties think they have the hope of looking like a juicer.

Ok, whatever. You win.

[GirlyMuscle]

Ok, whatever. You win.

There's no win or lose. It's just conversation.

I do see your point. It isn't anyone's business what you do or what you tell them. But people are still going to ask regardless of whether it's their business or not.

[Tatyana]

People just assume it is 'all drugs' these days and that there is no such thing as natural.

[Ninja Loco]

There's no win or lose. It's just conversation.

I do see your point. It isn't anyone's business what you do or what you tell them. But people are still going to ask regardless of whether it's their business or not.

Its not a conversatio........ ok look Im not going over it again.

[the_gift]

I know what the_gift is trying to say. It's like the part of Bigger Stronger Faster when Chris Bell explains that growing up he wanted to be like Hulk Hogan. "Eat right, say your prayers, take your vitamins." Truth is it's train your ass off, eat right and shoot up. It's misleading to others who aren't "in the know" to think that these guys are natties and they can achieve the same results.

exactly !

[the_gift]

Its not a conversatio........ ok look Im not going over it again.

huh?

[Tre]

Ninja Loco is right.

The rest of you - you know, the ones with the reality blinders on - are wrong.

Winning or losing this debate doesn't matter one bit, because our nation as a whole loses when people aren't educated about things, yet still feel their opinions should be allowed to dictate what others are able to do with their lives and bodies.

[GirlyMuscle]

I agree it's no one's business what we do with our own bodies. And I'll be the first one to stand up and say people need to be more educated ....Hell, even if they ARE educated it still doesn't give anyone the right to dictate to anyone else what they should or shouldn't do with their own bodies.

The original question was, How do you handle the question? So let's get back to that question.

[GottaGetLean]

People just assume it is 'all drugs' these days and that there is no such thing as natural.

thats cuz were in a world that has a drug for everything.. lol.. drugs to get u bigger, drugs to get u smaller, drugs to make u sleep, drugs to wake u up.. etc etc..