Second cycle + Tren advice

[Spardaa]

Hey guys, i posted a long time ago but never got around to typing up how it went.

1st cycle = 750mg Test E per week. THATS IT.

Diet = as much as i could eat, focusing on 200+g of protein and 400g+carbs.

Training = Push/pull/legs/repeat

Was fantastic. Didn't get gyno, which i thought i was prone to, but i did get ALOT of water retention in the face which made me seem even fatter than i actually got. Gained about 25-26 pound, of which i will conservatively estimate about 12-15 pounds of muscle (maybe slightly more). Lifts and size went up exponentially, in particular my delts which i always had a problem with (even though i had injured my shoulder prior to the cycle and only did raises for them, they got BIG) - constant attention everywhere i went, only downside was my face bloat. I noticed i was way hornier, got very oily skin, some back acne, VERY hot as in i would be sweating even in just a slightly above normal temperature room, and my sleep was down right a coma - literally could not get up before 10Am, it was impossible lol; i could easily sleep ten hours a day where as before the cycle (and currently) i can manage on 6-8.

i have been cruising since then and will start another blast come 1st March. i just wanted some advice on tren in general, and a critique of my cycle, bearing in mind it will be 16 weeks blasting and i am looking to get to about 10%, starting at a pretty high body fat. Primairily concerned about ripping up, but if i can gain some muscle in the process, that would be fantastic (which is hear is pretty common on tren, people talk about it like its magic)

2nd cycle

week 1-16 = Test E ?mg per week
week 1-16 = Tren E 400mg per week
week 10-16 = 50mg of anavar and/or winny

Diet

2500 calories, 250g carbs, 220g protien and 70g fat.

Training


Going back to a typical bro-split:

Monday = chest
Tuesday = back
Wednesday=legs
Thursday = shoulders
Friday=arms
weekend off.
--Throw cardio in whenever starting at 3 times a week, second month 4 times a week, third month 5 times a week, and for last month probably increase duration slightly. I wont be doing hiit as ill be on Tren lol.

Some questions

1 - To the guys who will tell me to use Ace because it will be easier to come off etc - i am aware of this and have researched between the two - should sides appear, i will know that i just have to bear them for a little while no longer, no problem. I have multiple reason to use Tren E, main one being i want to run it for 16 weeks so a longer ester will be necessary. Is taking 400mg (minimum) of tren for 16 weeks that bad as some say? would it say be any more harmful on the organs/body/HPTA as taking test for that long?
2 - Since i have already done 750mg test in the past, i wanted to run that again. I found i could eat like 2x the amount i would normally eat off cycle and still not put too much fat on. But as i will also be taking tren at 400mg, i thought going from 750 to 1150mg of total injectibles between my first and cycle is not such a good idea, i wanted to run 500mg test per week along side the tren. However i read that when taking tren it is best to keep the test/tren ratio very low. Then other say the completely opposite. Would it be a good idea to start the test at 250mg a week, and see how tren pans out, if everything is okay then up the dose of test? or up the dose of tren?
3 - Any preferences with anavar or winstrol? Is there any benefit/difference if i take say either 100mg anavar per day, or 100mg winny per day rather than taking 50mg anavar+50mg winny per day?
4 - For this cut ill be switching from push/pull/legs to the above split. roughly the same volume per body part however. Is going from training each body part twice a week, to once a week that big of a deal, considering ill be taking all these anabolics?
5 - My diet is pretty simple, and i think these calories will be enough to loose 2 to 2.5 pounds a week (my goal). Off cycle cutting was me on about 1800-2000 calories loosing about a pound a week. On cycle however i use the calories much more efficiently i have noticed, therefor 2500 should be sufficient and i will adjust accordingly. My questions was with dieting in regards to tren, some say that carbs must be low, or fat must be low etc? does the macro's really matter, or if i am in a deficit it will be sufficient? i can change macro's any time tbh.
6 - If Tren wont work with me - as in i can't handle sides and i choose to discontinue the use (just trying to be realistic)Would you reccomend something else for this cutting cycle? would it be to just run test at 750mg per week with anavar, winny, tren, clen, t3 and arimidex?

If you got through this wall of text, thanks!! ill try and keep posting here to keep a log for others that are interested.

[joe d]

id shorten the duration to 12-14 weeks.
id run the test at 500mg ew with that cycle.
id run the var at 25mg 2x per day through the entire cycle.
id run an ai from day 1. .25mg adex eod to start.
id leave out the winny all together
the diet sounds small to me. if you want to shed some fat but gain some mass id get the protein up.

[Spardaa]

okay thank Joe - just a quick question.

any reason you advised 500 test with 400 tren?
and also why no winny?

wanted to ask just out of curiosity and for my betterment!

[joe d]

okay thank Joe - just a quick question.

any reason you advised 500 test with 400 tren?
and also why no winny?

wanted to ask just out of curiosity and for my betterment!

the var throughout will provide good results with the test tren combo. the winny would be more trouble than its worth with the other compounds imo. it just not needed.

to get the results you are after with your cycle history i feel that 500mg test is plenty. no need for more.

[soujerz]

Great advice JOE!!

[BC123Jm]

i couldnt bring myself to read it all but but i'm going with joes comment. "diet seems small"
maybe start there as a base but you need to keep stoking the metabolism to grow and get lean. as for your question do macros really matter.. thats all that really matters.
when you find the right combo for your body type thats when the magic happens.

[Spardaa]

sweet thanks for the advice. ill make a new thread logging my cutting cycle come march 1st!

[joe d]

sweet thanks for the advice. ill make a new thread logging my cutting cycle come march 1st!

i look forward to following along.

[Spardaa]

Another quick one - has anyone ever used TRen hex, aka parabolin? how was your experience?

im thinking of getting some from alpha pharma, and it comes as 76mg/ml. If i was to run this, there is no way i could get 400mg as with tren E. Is there any benefit of taking parabolin, and if i take three amps (so 230mg total per week) would that be sufficient? rather than once a week, i would pin para twice a week.

[joe d]

Another quick one - has anyone ever used TRen hex, aka parabolin? how was your experience?

im thinking of getting some from alpha pharma, and it comes as 76mg/ml. If i was to run this, there is no way i could get 400mg as with tren E. Is there any benefit of taking parabolin, and if i take three amps (so 230mg total per week) would that be sufficient? rather than once a week, i would pin para twice a week.

id just stick with what you have this time. tren is tren imo. if you havent obtained your cycle yet then it doesnt matter. get either one.

[telkins92]

I prefer a low test high androgen cycle, I've always used tren E and 16 weeks should be fine as long as you can handle the sides I usually go 250 on test 350 on tren and the sides are very minimal also consider prami or caber it helps boost my sex drive pretty well, those long tren cycles will have you crying for help in that department regardless of the test in my experience. I would agree diet seems kind of small. Other than that good luck man, let the gains begin!