Scooby Prep and Team Provo teaming up!

**Provo82** · 04-09-2014, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by GENESIS

Congrats on the win. When the pics are up hopefully someone posts them.

thanks bud just did for ya

Originally Posted by GENESIS

Adding to that outer sweep specifically would really take his physique to the next level.

agreed big time its something ive focused hard on the last 2 years and like BM pointed out theyve come up but just not fast enough. i think Bobs point also makes sense as my legs seem to always be the first thing to flatten, but i can see even my shoulders arent as full as usual so thats a clear sign i was flat to me when a good bodypart is partially deflated

Originally Posted by Scoobysnacks

After struggling last week to finally hit a new low on saturday I already hit a new low this morning at 181.6. Down 1.2 from Saturday. This weeks cheat meal was steak, mashed potatoes few pieces of plain sour dough bread and a medium DQ blizzard. I have legs on tap today and suspect i may lose more tomorrow. Phil and I agree if drop to 2lbs down from last week we will up carbs the remaining of the week back up to 275. Ill try to get some new pics up soon. I did decide to keep 40mcg of clen in as long as I can stand it and can always take a week off, let receptors reset and start again if I have too many issues with anxiety. I am taking 500mg Phenibut as was mentioned above and it does help some.

looks like ontrack for a killer week. I have to admit here Jason had suggested me pushing a little more carbs but all in all said i was on point. He did bring it up more than once and i did listen but went lower than he suggested with the increases. i told him so at the time for the sake of being upfront, but now i see what needs to be done

**bushmaster** · 04-09-2014, 08:41 AM

To be honest I'd keep your plan exactly the same just add more water per meal. Carbs will do so little without added water or sodium. All they will do is pull more water. Just my opinion.

**bushmaster** · 04-09-2014, 08:47 AM

Whether anyone values this or not. I've seen someone load on 6000g carbs with no diuretics and be dry as hell. How? Slin added 8 weeks out and experimented with. Slin will pull water subq and add more water IM. How do you think these guys are full as a house with all their lines? It has to be done carefully though as pre contest insulin sensitivity is at an all time high. Slin at a calorie deficit will add nothing to your waistline.

**RichDC2** · 04-09-2014, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by bushmaster

Whether anyone values this or not. I've seen someone load on 6000g carbs with no diuretics and be dry as hell. How? Slin added 8 weeks out and experimented with. Slin will pull water subq and add more water IM. How do you think these guys are full as a house with all their lines? It has to be done carefully though as pre contest insulin sensitivity is at an all time high. Slin at a calorie deficit will add nothing to your waistline.

Amazing what you guys have figured out

**The Solution** · 04-09-2014, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by bushmaster

To be honest I'd keep your plan exactly the same just add more water per meal. Carbs will do so little without added water or sodium. All they will do is pull more water. Just my opinion.

agree 100%
Its funny people who pull water totally wonder whey they come in flat. Same with sodium, both are valuable to transport and fill out the body especially after a depletion.

**Provo82** · 04-09-2014, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

agree 100%
Its funny people who pull water totally wonder whey they come in flat. Same with sodium, both are valuable to transport and fill out the body especially after a depletion.

i think if i pulled water completely for this show i would not have placed well because i would have went from flattish to pancake flat

**Extreme One** · 04-09-2014, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by bushmaster

May have to drop clen for more than a week. Half life is 36-48hrs so a week wouldn't clear it.

Or as you already know run Ketotifen every third week to clear receptors.

**Extreme One** · 04-09-2014, 01:26 PM

Upper body was perfect. Legs a tad flat. My two cents (take it for what it is worth) would be to drop cardio, continue to slowly add carbs, and bump water a bit show day. Leave sodium alone and don't use any diuretics. The other option would be to hit a very big load on Wednesday when water is very high. Fill out and then spill. The next few days "clean up the mess". It seem a bit risky but imo it is not. Hitting a massive carb load the day before is risky but if you do it on Wedneday, you still have a few days to adjust accordingly. All in all it was still your best look to date. You will be even better at the Mets this Saturday. No doubt.

**bushmaster** · 04-09-2014, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Extreme One

Or as you already know run Ketotifen every third week to clear receptors.

I wonder if someone ran ketotifen weekly if the dose would ever have to be raised on clen? In theory the beta 2 would be upregulated.

**Provo82** · 04-09-2014, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Extreme One

Upper body was perfect. Legs a tad flat. My two cents (take it for what it is worth) would be to drop cardio, continue to slowly add carbs, and bump water a bit show day. Leave sodium alone and don't use any diuretics. The other option would be to hit a very big load on Wednesday when water is very high. Fill out and then spill. The next few days "clean up the mess". It seem a bit risky but imo it is not. Hitting a massive carb load the day before is risky but if you do it on Wedneday, you still have a few days to adjust accordingly. All in all it was still your best look to date. You will be even better at the Mets this Saturday. No doubt.

wow really funny you say this because it almost looks like you hacked into my email and copied and pasted jasons advice lol. i took gym pics last night and looked like i was about to pop so its bvious that water is the culprit here. so where going with option a) cardio is finished completely even though it was only30 min 3 times weekly. carbs today will be 50-70 grams higher than yesterady and today is an off day. jason thinks i should try to get3/4 of a gallon in before the stage. mens bbing is up first this weekend so what im thinking upon waking ill pound some water then hit like close to a regular sized poland springs bottle between each meal. i think its also important to note that my bp medication contains 12.5 mgs of hctz

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-09-2014, 03:18 PM

I hit another new low 181. People at the gym keep asking if Im getting bigger, pumps are good. Im just leaning out nice and slow. I think 14 more lbs is easily doable putting me 167. I can easily make 165 then fill out. Hotel is booked and my flight out on sunday to NC to join the fam on vacation is booked. No turning back now all that is left is to do it.

jason 9.5.jpg jason back 9.5.jpg

**The Solution** · 04-09-2014, 04:33 PM

You end up going with Sprint for that other flight you were looking to book? Never had experience with them was going to chime in, but have only really flown southwest.

Cant believe the Fukin Rates on the rooms almost up 100$ from last year? WTF?

**Hoss06** · 04-09-2014, 05:14 PM

U mean Spirit?^
Horrible with luggage...well, so I've heard on multiple accounts.

I prefer Frontier or SW

**Scoobysnacks** · 04-09-2014, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

You end up going with Sprint for that other flight you were looking to book? Never had experience with them was going to chime in, but have only really flown southwest.

Cant believe the Fukin Rates on the rooms almost up 100$ from last year? WTF?

nope booked united. Looks like i got screwed on hotels. Had I booked a few weeks earlier coulda got embassy suits for about 109. ugh. oh well. 180 raped and bent over it is.