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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    On the flip side…….
    Don't you know that if you criticize Israel's apartheid policies, that you are an anti-Semite?

    On a separate note, denying the Holocaust is pointless. It happened. Whether the numbers are dead nuts accurate or not, who cares. The Nazi's killed about 20 million people about 6 million of whom were Jewish.

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    If anything,it seems to me those Jews(in the video)are the ones who have forgotten the Holocaust. They don't seem to take into consideration the fact that those who fled during the Holocaust were afforded safe haven in other countries.It was okay for people to be sympathetic when they were in trouble.Imagine if other Countries had refused them refugee status or whatever it was,where would they be now?Reminds me of the words 'How soon they forget'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    If anything,it seems to me those Jews(in the video)are the ones who have forgotten the Holocaust. They don't seem to take into consideration the fact that those who fled during the Holocaust were afforded safe haven in other countries.It was okay for people to be sympathetic when they were in trouble.Imagine if other Countries had refused them refugee status or whatever it was,where would they be now?Reminds me of the words 'How soon they forget'.
    I think its more complex. Israel has its roots in history and in its religion not to mix races with others. They believe generally speaking that they must keep their race pure in an effort to preserve themselves as a nation and to please their God. Its a tenant of their religion. The non Jew could not enter the Temple so to ask them to disregard their religion and history may be a bit much to ask.

    In the USA we give so much to others that it weakens us. We even give money to those who really are not in need. Sometimes its money we do not have. Who is more irresponsible? The one who spends carelessly without regard for the tax payer or the one who protects their Country from endless bureaucratic spending?

    Obviously its more complex than this but we must look at all points of view before casting judgement.


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    I'm sure most of us do try and look at all points
    .I said in the other thread,we should not cast judgement but that in a way shows why some would stereotype certain groups ,races,cultures etc.Video has been removed I think.It is /was thought provoking.I could flip it again and show why they might not want them there but......
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    I think its more complex. Israel has its roots in history and in its religion not to mix races with others. They believe generally speaking that they must keep their race pure in an effort to preserve themselves as a nation and to please their God. Its a tenant of their religion. The non Jew could not enter the Temple so to ask them to disregard their religion and history may be a bit much to ask.

    In the USA we give so much to others that it weakens us. We even give money to those who really are not in need. Sometimes its money we do not have. Who is more irresponsible? The one who spends carelessly without regard for the tax payer or the one who protects their Country from endless bureaucratic spending?

    Obviously its more complex than this but we must look at all points of view before casting judgement.
    See bold print. That in a nutshell is why most, if not all religions are fucked up. Religion gives cover and has for thousands of years to racism, sexism and homophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefyfan View Post
    See bold print. That in a nutshell is why most, if not all religions are fucked up. Religion gives cover and has for thousands of years to racism, sexism and homophobia.
    I guess if its fueled by hate but if its just a preference then I'm not sure I see the problem. I prefer to have a woman for a mate. I don't hate homos, I just don't want to be one. I also tend to be attracted to my own race. I have no problem with other races but I have a preference for whites. I have never in my life dated a person of color. If a group of whites or a group of Jews or a group of blacks want to stay with their own race I have no problem with that. Its the hate that I have a problem with. Ultimately it comes down to motive. If the motive is to please a god of a morale book then who am I to try to take away that freedom? Now if the motive is to hurt others I have a big problem with that.

    Without love we are nothing. This is a major tenant of almost all of the major religions. Unfortunately that central message is often ignored by the hypocrites.


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    I'm a devoted catholic and love my religion and love Jesus. I will always support Dorian and don't give 3 shits what people think. I'm a fan of the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniacal View Post
    Btw, Christian, tangentially I might add that while you view calling illegal immigrants 'illegals', dehumanizes them, the jews of the Holocaust were literally dehumanized.

    Yet, your defenses are for Yates, while no understanding for how wrong your other article was exists.
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    My position is clear from my comments & my article. Thank you.
    I am against the article in question - 110%; however, I wanted to give Dorian a chance to speak. He should have said much more, but at least said something.
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    The title of this thread pisses me off! There is no "defense" for such ignorance. If he cared about his brand he would have not posted it or at least removed it.

    Defense? There is none IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by FitnBuf View Post
    The title of this thread pisses me off! There is no "defense" for such ignorance. If he cared about his brand he would have not posted it or at least removed it.

    Defense? There is none IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by FitnBuf View Post
    The title of this thread pisses me off! There is no "defense" for such ignorance. If he cared about his brand he would have not posted it or at least removed it.

    Defense? There is none IMO
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    I don't support any racist groups.
    or views.
    I hate injustice of any kind.
    Just because I allow a post questioning
    history on my wall doesn't mean i have
    anything against the Jewish people."
    That's all well and good but the problem here is Dorian apparently doesn't believe "the injustice" against Jews ever happened at all.

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    You are the biggest hypocrite. First you bash me for defending the guy, and now here you are talking non-sense. Do you know what you are talking about? Have you ever spoken to Dorian in real life? Did you have your cup of joe today? If not, drink some to wake up and stay alert.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy View Post
    Ummm ... Why can't Dorian Post on his own Facebook Page what he thinks?? Does his contract forbid him from doing that ? think not if hI would e is allowed to put this up ..and IF he is going to put this up ... then in good conscience Dorian could put it up and state -- curious what you all think about this thought provoking INSANE article ????
    IMO - there were hundreds, thousands etc. of different ways such a fellow - so well read could have gone about this ... What do you guys think???
    And as I have stated in the other thread- I was friendly with Dorian ( I probably have his phone number still ... but I don't want to talk about this with him ) ANd I will say it again --- The Sandow is not a Humanitarian Award or A Nobel Peace Prize.
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    Come on Poker Face,keep an open mind and dont take stuff to seriously .I dont think she has anything against you and probably not hypocritical.People are allowed to change their minds/opinions.

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