ARTICLE: "Transgendered Athletes - Overcoming Adversity"....By: Christian Duque

[AnavarAnnie]

But is it your opinion? lol

Seriously, he's not simply stirring the pot and -- as swingslammer stated -- "his article obviously took work and research, not like it was just thrown together."

That's how you see it. Not how I see it.

I think there is an agenda. However CD has been in the bodybuilding community for awhile now and I do base some of my opinions on the past as well.

[AnavarAnnie]

There are studies that say muscle gained with steroids can stay with a person years after the last cycle.....therefore advantage over non user.

Mechanically a male and female body are different, angles of bones and muscle insertions. Female hormones don't change that.

ABSOLUTELY.

I firmly believe that if a person has EVER done steroids they should NEVER be allowed to compete in a natural competition. I don't care if it was 30 years prior.

Even if it was a one time 2 week cycle.

However that will never happen.

[Curt James]

"When people say things like, ‘she has a huge unfair advantage! She's a man!’ It really highlights their ignorance on the subject, especially when I am pitted against an opponent like Erika Newsome."

How about "Misinformed...misinformation"? Why call your readers "Ignorant"?

That was a direct quote from Fallon Fox, swingslammer. Duque wasn't editorializing there.

[Big Puppy]

Horrible article. Sick of the liberal agenda

[Carolyn Bryant]

There are studies that say muscle gained with steroids can stay with a person years after the last cycle.....therefore advantage over non user.

Mechanically a male and female body are different, angles of bones and muscle insertions. Female hormones don't change that.

I agree with most of what you said in calling out the writer's editorialism. And I might add I'm tired of this new psychology being shoved in my face. Until I see a toddler girl standing up to pee and a little boy constantly wanting to sit on the toilet then the jury is still out about all this. Until science shows me some new chromosomes mixing in the embryo then I say the brain is what needs to be examined. I still reeling over the whole pregnant man story.

[swingslammer]

Cite?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl...cle+insertions

Because I'm calling BS on that. Angle of bones?

Here you go Curt.....

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/23/6/694.short

Possible causative factors for this increase in anterior cruciate ligament injuries among women may be ex trinsic (body movement, muscular strength, shoe- surface interface, and skill level) or intrinsic (joint lax ity, limb alignment, notch dimensions, and ligament size).

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/42/4/965.abstract

The percentage of females with patellofemoral knee pain was approximately 3 times greater than that of males (14.3% vs 4.0%, respectively; P < .001). Sports injuries in young males and females differed by injury type, diagnosis, and body area.

http://www.jaaos.org/content/21/1/41.abstract

The rate of anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) rupture is three times higher in female athletes than in male athletes. Intrinsic factors such as increased quadriceps angle and increased posterior tibial slope may predispose girls and women to ACL injury. Compared with males, females have smaller notch widths and smaller ACL cross-sectional area.

http://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/...Injury,.2.aspx

Objective: To determine the relationship of previous lower extremity (LE) injury and/or low back pain (LBP) on hip abduction and extension strength.

Main Outcome Measures: Mean and maximal hip abduction and extension strengths were recorded using a specially designed dynamometer anchoring station. Previous injury to the LE or LBP in the past year was recorded via personal interview at the time of screening and verified by review of previous injury records.


Conclusion: Female athletes appear to have a differing response of the proximal hip musculature to LE injury or LBP, as compared with their male counterparts. Research is under way to further validate these findings.



Curt, these are all from Journals of Sports medicine. This is JUST lower body and knees. Everyone who has trained knows there are more differances in the UPPER body of males and females than the LOWER bodies. I have heard many times that male and female strength in the lower body can get close to being comparable....not so in the upper body.
My wife could leg press 800 pounds for 8/10 GOOD reps but could never bench 135? These things don't just change with the addition or subtraction of some hormones.

Ok, I did some research....maybe I should write for RX?

[Carolyn Bryant]

Popcorn ready. But that boy says he's a girl now so science as we know it does not apply. NOT! When a forensic scientist performs an autopsy the facts will still say male.

So no, he should not be allowed to compete with women. Perhaps transgenders need their own cross fit division.

[swingslammer]

Curt, I read your link...there was NOTHING on there about male or female? It just spoke of muscle in general?

[Carolyn Bryant]

Curt, honey there are numerous studies done on the differences between male and female athletes. Perhaps the bone angle is a just a theory but physiology explains why most girls cant dunk, even when height is equal.

[swingslammer]

I am a Respiratory Therapist....which requires anatomy courses, a female pelvis/hips are most certainly wider than a males therefore changing the angle of a womans femors leaving the pelvis. I.e. a mans legs come down to his feet straighter than a womans do, II vs V, Angle of the legs coming out of the hip bones.



P.S. I am on the night shift tonight...and we are not too busy.

[swingslammer]

Just so you know I am not limiting myself to the lower leg....let me hit you with the spine!

http://journals.lww.com/spinejournal...Pelvic.26.aspx

Study Design. A three-dimensional analysis of spino-pelvic alignment in 60 asymptomatic young adult males and females.

Objectives. To analyze the differences in sagittal spino-pelvic alignment in a group of asymptomatic young adult males and females and describe gender specific reference values.


Conclusion. These results indicate that the female spine is definitely different from the male spine. The spine as whole and individual vertebrae in certain regions of the normal spine is more backwardly inclined in females than in males. Based on our previous research this signifies that these spinal regions are subjected to different biomechanical loading conditions. These vertebral segments are possibly less rotationally stable in females than in males.


I seriously think I am just going to keep going and going until someone says "OK, I will give you that males and females have physiological differance" !

I could really care less if you want to change your sex, just don't tell me your body will not be differant than someone born of the sex you want to change in to.

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining.

[Curt James]

Curt, I read your link...there was NOTHING on there about male or female? It just spoke of muscle in general?

The link was just my search string.

Thank you for the cites (shades of misc.fitness.weights). And, yes, write for Rx Muscle. I've posted more than one writing challenge thread. Look for the next one! In fact, I'll nudge you when I post it!

[scottt]

If your DNA says your a man your a man no matter what you look like on the outside and should be forbidden to compete in women's sports.

[Mac]

If your DNA says your a man your a man no matter what you look like on the outside and should be forbidden to compete in women's sports.

This.

If you're a man and want to be percieved as a woman, that's fine by me, but you cannot compete in a sport as a woman. Because you're not.

[scottt]

This.

If you're a man and want to be percieved as a woman, that's fine by me, but you cannot compete in a sport as a woman. Because you're not.

Seems so simple that this topic should not be an issue.