Blasting while on TRT

[crunchy]

Welcome to the club greenmachine.

Here's an update on my situation. Had my followup last week. stuck to Joe's suggestion and did 3/4 of my weekly dose for the two weeks up the appt. So last shot prior to blood draw on Thursday afternoon was Saturday and was 75mg.
During appt doc sounded open to increasing dose but wanted to see levels first. Checked hemoglobin/hematocrit, liver.
Got results today. Total T level was 631. Doc says level looks good stay at current dose for now. Have a followup booked for 6 months from now. Did not express any concerns about liver enzymes or blood counts.

Not what I was hoping for. Don't know what the level would have been had I stayed at the Rx 100mg/wk, and if the blood was drawn in the AM(or does that matter once ur on TRT?) how much higher could it have been? Probably not much I'd imagine.
Went ahead and started my blast on Saturday with some Mast E added in.

But is the current Rx going to be enough to cruise on btw blasts to avoid loss of gains made? Cruised b4 at 200/wk and that was peachy.

Should i Use the Rx grade test for the cruise and keep the other stuff for the blasting or does it matter?

Thanks for the help brothers.

[joe d]

thats a good level for 75mg. id bet your in the 800's on 100mg. it may or may not be enough depending on how far along you are. the farther you go the harder it is to gain and keep. id keep taking the script as prescribed (except around test time), and blast with whatever you want on top of the script.

[crunchy]

Estrogen Rebound.

Never considered this before because always did PCT, went on Nolva and waited until T and E levels dropped back down to whatever what is normal.

Since I'm using arimidex as an AI right now, when I go back down to my TRT dose, I assume i should stay on the AI for a couple weeks until my T levels drop down to the Rx'd range, then get blood work, and see what's needed. As opposed to stopping altogether because my E levels to get out of control. Am i right on this?


I'm going for more bw this week, but I've bumped my ai dose up to 1mg/eod bc of water retention, low sex-drive, and nipple puffiness (no itching, tenderness or lumps though). Seems like as i'm getting older i'm converting more of my usual test dosage to estrogen. Is that possible?

Would aromasin be better for this going forward?

CR

[RichDC2]

IMO arimdex is fine if its real pharma which you might be getting for your trt.
I would keep it at that dose for a week after you go back down then go back to whatever your normal AI protocol that correlates with your trt amount.
This is why frequent BW is important to keep normal healthy levels. Once this is established its easy to go back to cruises after blasts

[crunchy]

Thanks for responding, I appreciate the help. I haven't yet received a prescription for an ai. The first follow up after initial TRT prescription didn't show any signs of increased estrogen and I'm under the impression he didn't check either.
I've sourced the arimidex myself for this through allday... com; I expect it's pharm grade.
I'll follow your suggestion and then go down to a more therapeutic dosage of the adex for a couple weeks after this blast and before repeating the blood work.
My next follow up appt isn't until late November and prior to that besides making sure my T levels are where he expects them to be, I assume I'll need to discontinue the ai and ask that he check my estrogen level?

And one more question. Prior to my appt with the endo, my GP also ordered a test for my bound E2 level but not the free E2 level. Is the bound E2 level relevant?

Thanks again,
CR

[RichDC2]

I would get bloods done every 3-4 months tops. After a bit you can nail down X amount of test and X amount of AI both for X amount of time gives X number of estro/test consistantly.

That would be your healthy set point. from that point you know you can blast for X amount of time before you have to give test to your Doc. Once that is nailed down it takes all of the questions and stress out of the equation. On top of that if you you decide not to blast any more you know what your healthy set point is.

But this is all something you have to fiqure out by yourself everyone has a different response to test and estro numbers and amounts.
Its all a roll of the dice without blood markers.

[crunchy]

How much to ease off the gas pedal?

I blasted from beginning of June until the first week of August. Since then I've been on 250mg/wk of Test E, except for 2 leftover weeks of Mast-E.

It went well; from last May, as of today I'm up about 8-10 pounds, lost visible fat (the top 4 abs I lost over the winter came back).

I've backed off *some* on my training--lighter weight, fewer forced reps, 2on/1off split and hitting each bodypart only once per wk. But now I'm ready to go down to my Rx dosage of 100mg/wk test-c.

But I'm still pushing and trying to kill myself when I am in there. Still going to failure, supersets, dropsets, etc. I try my best to walk out dead. Haven't been doing enough cardio, but I'm working on that.

Should I (or anyone)--and if so, HOW MUCH TO--ease off the gas pedal in the training during the TRT dose cruising period? Would it just depend on how long you plan on cruising for? I.e., follow some type of periodization training by backing off for a while, then ramp it up, but back off again for x-number of weeks before blasting? Or is even this too much stress considering you'll be putting your body through the ringer when you start blasting again?

And how about the diet? I'm assuming trying to gain muscle during RX cruising by consuming a calorie surplus is a recipe for disaster, right??

My next appointment with the endocrinologist is November 25.

[RichDC2]

For me I never change my training or diet to amount of supps. Its always balls to the wall. YOur body will tell you when you need a break here and there. And you your body will tell you to slow down or eat more food. Pay good attension to this. Adjustments are made on how you respond not a set plan off the bat just becuase your lowering a supp

[caribeman]

lots of great info here! Im also considering a B & C and like Rich's comment on short esters as Test Prop, Tren Ace or even Mast for 4 weeks with an oral here and there. I might give that a try.