Help please

[newbulk]

Hey ladies my wife and I lift and love doing it. However I'm coming to a cross road where we are trying to lose her last little bit of belly fat. She lifts 5 days a week and does cardio 3/4. She is 5'2 113lbs but still had a little stomach fat. Her diet is 150 g protein 60g carbs rest good fat from eggs and Olive oil. Around 1500 calories. Her carbs are Apple potatoe and a grain. Then lots of veggies. I was thinking maybe starting her on clen possibly dnp unless it effects her fertility.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thank you very much

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[tammyp]

dnp what the fuck? this sounds like a troll...so I am not even responding here...

[newbulk]

No no not a troll, just kinda clueless about the woman hormones. I want thinking about dnp seriously I was trying to stir up othet opinIons and that's apparently what came out

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[sassy69]

DNP = no and waaaaaaay overkill for what you are trying to accomplish.

How much have you played with diet? IMO 60 g of carb may not be enough if that is the norm every day w/o any refeeds. I would absolutely work with diet adjustment for this goal.

Rule of thumb: Your body can only respond to the environment you give it to work with. (i.e. diet, training/cardio, recovery).

In other words, how you are now is the result of what you are currently doing. If you don't like what you have now, revisit what you are doing to tweak the results. Regular activity is great but if you want different results its not sufficient to say I already lift and eat "clean" but I need to throw some drugs on there to get a different result. Nope. I would start w/a carb rotation and change up some of what she is doing. Frequently just some very small changes will produce the results you're looking for since what you are doing right now isn't getting you there.

Another way of looking at it is you throw on drugs and change nothing else, when you come off the drugs, the body still only has that same environment (whose results you didnt' like) to work with, so you will more than likely end up in the same place. Change the environment and your results are maintainable.

To that point, even if you choose to incorporate whataever drug, what are you going to do w/ diet / training / cardio / recovery to drive a change? I'd suggest starting w/ diet. Can you list a typical day's meal plan. The thing that still stands out to me is 60 g of carb. If this is on a regular basis, then I would seriously look at tweaking the carb intake to something more dynamiic a la carb rotation to kick in some metabolic response.

[tammyp]

ok sorry...what sassy said....and please ask here bofore you take anything!

[newbulk]

Thank you sassy. She has refeeds every 5 to 7 days

Meal 1
2 eggs
3 egg whites
Half whole wheat bagel

Meal 2
Protien shake w Olive oil
Carrots
Half apple

Meal 3
Chicken
Baked pot
Carrots

Meal 4
Dark greens
Rest of pshake

Meal 5
Chk
Dark green

Meal 5
2eggs
2 egg white
Turkey bacon

Due to work sch. Workouts are after meal 5

Workouts are upper/lower day off. 24/30 cardio beforr workout

On day of non lift its cardio for an hr

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[newbulk]

Oh def will, I am a little lost on a females body.. I value your guys opinions and help

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[sassy69]

Thank you sassy. She has refeeds every 5 to 7 days

Meal 1
2 eggs
3 egg whites
Half whole wheat bagel

Meal 2
Protien shake w Olive oil
Carrots
Half apple

Meal 3
Chicken
Baked pot
Carrots

Meal 4
Dark greens
Rest of pshake

Meal 5
Chk
Dark green

Meal 5
2eggs
2 egg white
Turkey bacon

Due to work sch. Workouts are after meal 5

Workouts are upper/lower day off. 24/30 cardio beforr workout

On day of non lift its cardio for an hr

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What type of cardio? And what does the refeed look like?

[newbulk]

Cardio is a good amount of high steady rate. W a day of hiit. I think she needs tovdo another day or two of hiit. Cardio hiit is what she is doing.
Refeed when thinking about it might not b the best but we go to chili's and eat some chips and shell have a chicken sandwich w pineapple


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[sassy69]

How long has she been doing this whole protocol? When was the last time it was changed up?

[newbulk]

She has been doing it for about two months.. before this was a ratio of p/c/f 40/40/20. I believe she has carb sensitivity in which her body holds onto an unnecessary amount of carbs. Before that she was doing mostly cardio and eating on a calories restriction and was able to lose weight in the stomach area but also lost muscle and still had some fat in the stomach area. We have trial and error alot.

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[sassy69]

Then if she's just been doing this for 2 months, I'd say keep doing it and continue to tweak things as you go. I'd be leery of too much cardio and would focus on tweaking the diet more. I would suggest better carb sources than the apple and 1/2 bagel as one place to try a few changes.

[newbulk]

Thanks sassy. Ill def work with her to change that up a little bit. Ur very insightful

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[newbulk]

Now if she was stressed with her job. I know stress is also a factor. Would a cortisol control be ideal in this situation? Since stress release a higher level of cortisil

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[sassy69]

Now if she was stressed with her job. I know stress is also a factor. Would a cortisol control be ideal in this situation? Since stress release a higher level of cortisil

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Again, for someone following this for 2 months, I would really just let the process work. The more shit you try to self-medicate with, the more complex it all becomes. We're not even talking about a contest prep. Keep in mind a contest prep is a 4 month process and is also usually backed by at least a couple years of non-prep growth phases. DOn't look for quicky fixes for one little thing you don't like.

We don't know anythng about how she carries her bodyfat or anything so it would be stupid to guess at what exactly is going on - maybe she tends to hold her fat there and that's just the way it is. I've been fighting my genetic ass for 30+ years of living the lifting lifestyle. It be what it be. Over time I can probably affect some changes, but these days I also need to work w/ the myriad tendonitis and foot issues mostly as a result of the aging process & simple repetitive motion issues.

If she has stress at work - well, everyone has stress at work, and life, and everywhere else. And as noted before, this isn't even a competition prep, so in the big picture, this person does not know what stress is . The body is fairly resilient and should be able to accommodate that. If not, then work to adjust the lifestyle instead of looking for the next pill to pop. Aint' nuttin for free and the more you can do w/ your lifestyle to effect change, the more likely you are to make that change and to maintain that change.

It is not always easy to get to the exact change you want w/ all the different things in play. I've worked with and tried a variety of different diet approaches over the last 30+ years, both as part of competition prep and part of just "life" and I can't say I've found the Key yet. And further, stuff that used to work, doesn't necessarily work now because my body has changed both as a result of the last time I tried that particular approach as well as just simply time passing. There are a whole variety of tweaks you can make to push a little bit further to the goal you want. Patience and persistence will get you there.