Dieting is 75% of Your Success!! By Jon Andersen

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By Jon Andersen

Summertime is here! The time of year when everyone starts peeling off layers and browning up their white, pasty folds after a long, gluttonous winter. All winter long you have made and broken promises to yourself about getting in shape for the summer… mostly dietary promises.

You train a few days a week. Sometimes more if the stars are aligned. You work hard and you have made some gains, but the tough part is your diet. That’s where the broken promises lay: in a shameful pile behind the fridge. It’s a common mistake: you fool yourself into thinking you can eat crap because of the work you are putting in in the gym.

You are wrong, my friend.

Read the full article right here:

http://www.rxmuscle.com/articles/nut...r-success.html

[lksurf2]

I know that he states its a "deep water" diet. But I kinda feel like its a little drastic for someone to just jump into if starting a diet phase.

[Darkseid]

Great article, from now on I'm going to start hearing Jon segments at the Power Hour Radio.

[Jordan Coburn]

Dude looks great and is strong as fuck, but that's gotta be one of the worst articles relating to nutrition I've ever read.

The lesson as always, With good enough genes and enough drugs you can throw just about any dog turd at the wall and it will stick.

[GDavis]

How is "deepwater" different than Dave's diet, other than more liberal with the fats?

[Virtual Trauma]

1 gram of fat per pound of body weight?? Jebus!

[JohnnyStyles]

Good read!!!

[Curt James]

Dude looks great and is strong as fuck, but that's gotta be one of the worst articles relating to nutrition I've ever read.

The lesson as always, With good enough genes and enough drugs you can throw just about any dog turd at the wall and it will stick.

Care to expand on why it's one of the worst articles?

lol Maybe the other 25% is drugs. But, seriously, what's your objection to his recommendations?

How is "deepwater" different than Dave's diet, other than more liberal with the fats?

Why does it have to be different?

It's zero carb with protein and carbohydrate recommendations.

1 gram of fat per pound of body weight?? Jebus!

What do your macros look like and what are your goals, VT? I used to count grams of protein, but right now I'm not counting anything. VERY loosely following a meal plan presented by Ellington Darden in his one HIT book.

[Jordan Coburn]

Care to expand on why it's one of the worst articles?

Gladly.

-Assigning an arbitrary # like "75%" is ridiculous.

- Lets apply his guidelines on me personally. This morning i'm 222pds, so Protein at 2g per pound of BW puts me at 444g/day, Fat at 1g per pound of bodyweight puts me at 222g per day. That alone puts me at a hair under 3800 cals/per day and unless i'm going to live on beef, eggs and swill olive oil straight from the bottle thats not accounting for carbs/cals from vegetables, avacados, nuts, etc. Lets assume 50g Trace carbs per day and that would put me in this scenario right around 4000 cals daily....Unless I chain myself to a treadmill to and start popping T3 like they're skittles to compensate for the energy balance there's no fucking way that I (or anyone else) will oxidize one bit of bodyfat on this type of setup. To summarize, his macro ratio recommendations are ludicrous.

-Research on strength athletes has concluded that any more than 1-1.6g protein per KILO of bodyweight does not yield any faster muscle/strength gains.

- The ridiculous excess of protein recommended here will inevitably lead to gluconeogenisis...if your body is going to store a good majority of this excess protein as glucose anyway then why not just alter the ratio to actually have carbs? Oh right...If some protein is good, then a shit ton will be even better, right brahs?!

- Speaking of shit ton, he makes no fiber intake recommendations. this type of diet will absolutely wreak havoc on your digestive system anyway, with little fiber intake you'll be shitting on a weekly basis if you're lucky. Unless Mr. Anderson holds stock in exlax then this is also ridiculous.

- Ketogenic diets, unless you have epilepsy, alzheimers or a simiilar type of malady, are pointless vs. other types of diet strategies with more balanced macro allocations. They provide a certain level of satiation for some, but thats the only benefit Vs. other types. Caloric deficit is THE ONLY RELEVANT FACTOR in fat loss (Hormonal issues notwithstanding). There's nothing magical about Ketosis. This is coming from someone who has done them for MONTHS at a time in the past, and without some type of periodic refeeding of carbs (which he makes no mention of) you're going to look, feel and train like shit.

- At least Mr. Anderson is upfront about this diet not being easy..but he should also probably mention that its unlikely to actually work for most people.

[GDavis]

Why does it have to be different?

It's zero carb with protein and carbohydrate recommendations.

Because he is calling it "Deepwater" and using Dave's setup. Just call it Dave's diet with more liberal fat recommendations.

[Triple-H_2005]

This was less an "article" than a miss-mash of quasi-explored bullet points.

And I agree with everything that Jordan just said, thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of that!

[Jordan Coburn]

This was less an "article" than a miss-mash of quasi-explored bullet points.

And I agree with everything that Jordan just said, thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of that!

Thanks man. Don't even get me started on the ditch analogy.

[Extreme One]

Gladly.

-Assigning an arbitrary # like "75%" is ridiculous.

- Lets apply his guidelines on me personally. This morning i'm 222pds, so Protein at 2g per pound of BW puts me at 444g/day, Fat at 1g per pound of bodyweight puts me at 222g per day. That alone puts me at a hair under 3800 cals/per day and unless i'm going to live on beef, eggs and swill olive oil straight from the bottle thats not accounting for carbs/cals from vegetables, avacados, nuts, etc. Lets assume 50g Trace carbs per day and that would put me in this scenario right around 4000 cals daily....Unless I chain myself to a treadmill to and start popping T3 like they're skittles to compensate for the energy balance there's no fucking way that I (or anyone else) will oxidize one bit of bodyfat on this type of setup. To summarize, his macro ratio recommendations are ludicrous.

-Research on strength athletes has concluded that any more than 1-1.6g protein per KILO of bodyweight does not yield any faster muscle/strength gains.

- The ridiculous excess of protein recommended here will inevitably lead to gluconeogenisis...if your body is going to store a good majority of this excess protein as glucose anyway then why not just alter the ratio to actually have carbs? Oh right...If some protein is good, then a shit ton will be even better, right brahs?!

- Speaking of shit ton, he makes no fiber intake recommendations. this type of diet will absolutely wreak havoc on your digestive system anyway, with little fiber intake you'll be shitting on a weekly basis if you're lucky. Unless Mr. Anderson holds stock in exlax then this is also ridiculous.

- Ketogenic diets, unless you have epilepsy, alzheimers or a simiilar type of malady, are pointless vs. other types of diet strategies with more balanced macro allocations. They provide a certain level of satiation for some, but thats the only benefit Vs. other types. Caloric deficit is THE ONLY RELEVANT FACTOR in fat loss (Hormonal issues notwithstanding). There's nothing magical about Ketosis. This is coming from someone who has done them for MONTHS at a time in the past, and without some type of periodic refeeding of carbs (which he makes no mention of) you're going to look, feel and train like shit.

- At least Mr. Anderson is upfront about this diet not being easy..but he should also probably mention that its unlikely to actually work for most people.

I owe you reps my Canadian friend. I could not have said it any better myself.

[Virtual Trauma]

What do your macros look like and what are your goals, VT? I used to count grams of protein, but right now I'm not counting anything. VERY loosely following a meal plan presented by Ellington Darden in his one HIT book.

i just started a cut, I'm rocking 1g protein/ lb body weight and about 0.5 g/ lb fat. Those macros seem to work well for me.

[data4]

This was less an "article" than a miss-mash of quasi-explored bullet points.

And I agree with everything that Jordan just said, thanks for saving me the trouble of typing all of that!

I hear ya lol Thank you Jordan.

The nutritional advice here was pretty piss poor. I also find it funny that the higher the percentage of protein he suggest the more aggressive he considers the approach. When protein exceeds 20-30% of total calories, gluconeogenic amino acids make a very significant contribution to total energy utilization, and keto-adaptation probably will not occur anyhow.