Do you think steroids is what's causing all the heart failures in the sport?

[Mac]

In defense of responsible use, my father in law just move in with us. He's 83, and has been on testosterone almost 50 years. He takes 200mg a month, but he's got a biceps peek and doesn't workout, and still wants to go visit female friends for more than just friendship. He's very intelligent, with a great memory. If he's dying, then he's going out right way.

I love hearing this. Gives me some hope.

What I find ironic is, we spend our entire adult life producing testosterone naturally but when it dwindles with age, it's BAD for our hearts to supplement more.

[JG1]

We just had a 24yo male RN die the other day. He worked on the ER. He was on the treadmill when he suffered an MI. No steroids were involved.

[Mac]

My dad had quad bypass at age 74. He was taking Androgel.

Doctors increased his T and put him on shots after recovery.

[Jordan Coburn]

Another life saving thread from the ripped 225pd natty hypertrophy unicorn from tribulus land.

Thanks man.

Brb, Tossing all my gear in a trash compactor and stocking up on BCAA's and motivational cassette tapes.

[Granite-Dawg]

Another life saving thread from the ripped 225pd natty hypertrophy unicorn from tribulus land.

Thanks man.

Brb, Tossing all my gear in a trash compactor and stocking up on BCAA's and motivational cassette tapes.

Can we have other thought provoking posts like, does being able to breathe keep us alive, does not wiping your ass heal hemorrhoids, or do mind numbing posts kill or just paralyze brain cells?

Great post Jordan!! I will be raiding your trash compactor.

[Poker face Ace]

Please keep my thread on track. I know the truth hurts, but it's better it be known what powerful hormones may do to the body over time. Are you on hormones? you always like to dis my thread ONLY when it's about the hurtful truth I notice.. Anyway, if so, do you get EKG's?

Can we have other thought provoking posts like, does being able to breathe keep us alive, does not wiping your ass heal hemorrhoids, or do mind numbing posts kill or just paralyze brain cells?

Great post Jordan!! I will be raiding your trash compactor.

[Provo82]

indirectly and direectly it plays a role but not a sole cause by any means. increased blood pressure from being overweight, too big etc causes the heart to work harder, once the left ventricle( the hearts main pumping chamber) becomes overly enlarged, the heart cant pump blood as efficiently and the ejection fraction declines thus leading to heart failure. that is most likely the number one reason. steroids can certainly exacerbate this.

[Johnny Bravo]

Another life saving thread from the ripped 225pd natty hypertrophy unicorn from tribulus land.

Thanks man.

Brb, Tossing all my gear in a trash compactor and stocking up on BCAA's and motivational cassette tapes.

"You must spread some bro-points around before giving it to Jordan Coburn again."

[Nancy]

There really is NOTHING anyone can say to make someone STOP doing something they LOVE that runs through their veins and feeds their soul. TRUST me - I know. That is WHY I am so passionate about pressing the issue to all of you who live this life to do it the BEST & SAFEST way ... Checking your Health , Getting Your Blood work Checked --- Taking proper rest time ... Eating Healthy -- Buy Healthy Food not just Expensive Gear and cheap crappy food !! And most important -- LISTENnnnn to YOUR Body !! Don't ignore it - Train Hard and Be Safe ... Again I post - you can go to Dr. Sal at FarmingdaleHeart.com and get your Blood Work checked - no , I am not affiliated with him in any way -- I just think it is a great thing that you can do this via on line now !

[warthog]

I could be wrong but I was a huge art Atwood fan and I don't remember hearing about such problems with him .

Newest information from Steven:

"Art died at the hospital.

The coroner’s report shows that he died of heart attack.

He unknowingly suffered a minor heart attack about a month ago. As it turns out, heart disease does run in his family."





So it has been confirmed as a major heart attack. RIP ART ATWOOD

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[Professor X]

I liked Mike Mattarrazo a lot...but he was no doctor and didn't have any biology degrees.

His entire lifestyle (EVEN AND ESPECIALLY PAIN KILLERS) contributed to his early death, not "steroids". The many times he was rushed to the hospital for locking up on stage while competing had more to do with diuretics use...and he was warned many times at that time.

I am an advocate of bulking up in the early stages of development, but even I remember Mike's posts about how he used to eat to get that big...and you can't do that forever with no consequences....especially after the age of about 35.

I am open to real discussion....but anyone who leads with 'steroids caused his death' is ignoring real facts.

Tylenol is more dangerous than steroids....yet you can buy a ton of them at the store right now with no police involvement.

[Curt James]

It's to spread awareness to the general public.
If that means touching one life through my message, then I consider this to be a step in the right direction.

I'm going to touch several lives through my message...

Aloha!

Opinions?

[heavyiron]

Study: No Link Between Testosterone, Heart Attack

Finding runs counter to some prior reports; much larger trials are needed, experts say
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By Mary Elizabeth Dallas
HealthDay Reporter

WEDNESDAY, July 2, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- Although recent research has linked testosterone therapy with a higher risk for heart attack and stroke, a new study involving more than 25,000 older men suggests otherwise.

The study, funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, may help ease some fears about testosterone therapy for patients and their families, the study authors said.


"Our investigation was motivated by a growing concern, in the U.S. and internationally, that testosterone therapy increases men's risk forcardiovascular disease, specifically heart attack and stroke," lead researcher Jacques Baillargeon, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, said in a university news release.

"This concern has increased in the last few years based on the results of a clinical trial and two observational studies," he said. "It is important to note, however, that there is a large body of evidence that is consistent with our finding of no increased risk of heart attack associated with testosterone use."

According to background information supplied by the researchers, the market for testosterone has grown significantly in recent years. Every year, $1.6 billion is spent on these products, with the aim of boosting muscle tone and sex drive for men with so-called "low T."

However, investigations into the safety of testosterone therapy have revealed conflicting results, Baillargeon's team said. Some studies suggested testosterone was tied to a higher risk of heart attack.

For example, as reported in January by HealthDay, one study looked at the medical records of 56,000 American men who were prescribed testosterone supplements.

The research, published in the journal PLoS One, tracked the men for 90 days after they started the therapy. The study found that heart attack risk doubled for men over 65 once they were taking the supplements. The same effect was found in testosterone supplement users who were younger than 65 but had a history of heart disease. No such effect was seen for men under 65 years of age without a history of heart disease, the researchers said.

And on June 20, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced that testosterone supplement products must now carry a warning label on the general risk of blood clots in the veins. The FDA is also engaged in an ongoing investigation into the risk of stroke, heart attack and death in those taking testosterone products.

To further explore this issue, the Galveston team of researchers examined data collected on more than 25,000 men over the age of 65. The men, who were all Medicare beneficiaries, received testosterone therapy for up to eight years.
The study also included a "control group" of similar men who were not treated with testosterone therapy.

The findings, which were published July 2 in the Annals of Pharmacotherapy, found that testosterone therapy was not linked with any increased risk for heart attack. In fact, men at greater risk for heart problems who used testosterone actually had a lower rate of heart attacks than similar men who did not receive this treatment, the researchers said.

"This is a rigorous analysis of a large number of patients," noted Baillargeon. "Our findings did not show an increased risk of heart attack associated with testosterone use in older men," he said.

Still, the issue is probably far from settled, Baillargeon added.

"Large scale, randomized clinical trials will provide more definitive evidence regarding these risks in the coming years," he said.

[sassy69]

I'd venture it is the continued stress on the body of the lifestyle - the drugs, the mass of food, etc. - BP, stress on the liver, etc, over time, and then the decrease in ability to recover and deal w/ that stress as you get older. And if there happens to be any recreational drug use, that just contributes to the overall abuse the body is no longer able to sustain.

[Mac]

Please keep my thread on track.

You get to say what you want, as does everyone else. While you started the thread, it belongs to ALL of us.