mass cycles

**telkins92** · 09-12-2014, 08:05 PM

Getting ready to start the winter bulker what's your ideal mass cycles? You guys like to run them longer at moderate doses or blast for shorter duration?

**bad rad** · 09-12-2014, 11:30 PM

I like the Test, Deca and Dbol for mass ran at moderate doses for longer time frames. When I blast it I usually end up with more water retention than muscle.

**telkins92** · 09-13-2014, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by bad rad

I like the Test, Deca and Dbol for mass ran at moderate doses for longer time frames. When I blast it I usually end up with more water retention than muscle.

Yup I completely agree with you there, what's moderate for you?

**bad rad** · 09-13-2014, 11:21 AM

600mg Test, 200-300mg Deca and 20mg Dbol. I've gone higher but don't really get anything out of it.

**RichDC2** · 09-13-2014, 12:26 PM

If we cant grow with what badrad posted above and a well planned diet then we might as well give up

**telkins92** · 09-13-2014, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by RichDC2

If we cant grow with what badrad posted above and a well planned diet then we might as well give up

Totally, my last 2 cycles have been moderate but I usually keep my test low around 250 and the other compound being deca or tren higher than test I think I'm going to up the test this time around

**bad rad** · 09-13-2014, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by telkins92

Totally, my last 2 cycles have been moderate but I usually keep my test low around 250 and the other compound being deca or tren higher than test I think I'm going to up the test this time around

Test will give the best bang for the buck. A properly dosed AI will keep off the extra water and test tends to give better strength gains for long term muscle growth. I believe a stronger becomes a bigger muscle when fed.

**Provo82** · 09-13-2014, 01:30 PM

have any of you guys used test-1-cyp. IVe found it to be a great tool in offseason or in the early stages of a contest diet. to be clear this is not a test ester

**bad rad** · 09-13-2014, 01:35 PM

Assuming you're referencing dihydroboldenone, no I haven't but heard it burned really bad. I also read it was a pretty kick ass bulker, very dry and consistent gains. The issue was always absorption with the oral.

**RichDC2** · 09-13-2014, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Provo82

have any of you guys used test-1-cyp. IVe found it to be a great tool in offseason or in the early stages of a contest diet. to be clear this is not a test ester

I keep hearing about it but never see it. Ive heard its similar but stronger than primo. What is it? How is it used? Does it still need a test base?

**telkins92** · 09-13-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Provo82

have any of you guys used test-1-cyp. IVe found it to be a great tool in offseason or in the early stages of a contest diet. to be clear this is not a test ester

Never seen it around, Provo what would be your idea offseason as far as gear and gh goes? I competed in physique this year and won my class and qualified I didn't have the size for BBing this offseason I want to make the jump to BBING I need the ultimate tools to get where i need to be, I'll be busting my ass this offseason

**Steve56** · 09-13-2014, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Provo82

have any of you guys used test-1-cyp. IVe found it to be a great tool in offseason or in the early stages of a contest diet. to be clear this is not a test ester

I really did not like it much at all ... Ran it twice never got much out of it

Anyone else have any experience with it??

**Provo82** · 09-15-2014, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by telkins92

Never seen it around, Provo what would be your idea offseason as far as gear and gh goes? I competed in physique this year and won my class and qualified I didn't have the size for BBing this offseason I want to make the jump to BBING I need the ultimate tools to get where i need to be, I'll be busting my ass this offseason

i always like to take alook at the physique. if this is someone who isnt particularly round and doesnt get fat too easily id def want a test of some kind in there, definitely GH, maybe or maybe not insulin, then id fill in the rest based off how they responded too other things in the past. something as simple as test and deca eod with gh cant go wrong there. for guys that get wayy too puffy i found the test 1-cyp to be a nice sub for deca or eq. EQ i like to have guys use too. i notice the test 1 cyp really fills the muscle out without nearly the amount of water retention that deca might yield.

**Provo82** · 09-15-2014, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Steve56

I really did not like it much at all ... Ran it twice never got much out of it

Anyone else have any experience with it??

seems the verdict is fairly split on this. some guys fall in love and some just say ehh. it definitely packs more punch than a primo or sometihng like that interms of muscle fullness etc.

**telkins92** · 09-15-2014, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Provo82

i always like to take alook at the physique. if this is someone who isnt particularly round and doesnt get fat too easily id def want a test of some kind in there, definitely GH, maybe or maybe not insulin, then id fill in the rest based off how they responded too other things in the past. something as simple as test and deca eod with gh cant go wrong there. for guys that get wayy too puffy i found the test 1-cyp to be a nice sub for deca or eq. EQ i like to have guys use too. i notice the test 1 cyp really fills the muscle out without nearly the amount of water retention that deca might yield.

So test-1 cyp being the secondary compound to testosterone, can you use any other compounds with test-1?