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    Default Total Dosage VS Weekly Dosage

    I've been thinking about my next cycle and considering doing a higher (for me) dosed Test only cycle. In everyone's opinion what's more important, the total cycle dosage or the weekly dosage experienced. I'll give two examples to outline what I'm asking.

    Heavyiron's Test only cycle. I like it and there is solid thought behind it's design utilizing the release patterns of Test C or E and myostatin increases. It has a total steroid load of 7400mgs in 10 weeks so 740mgs/weekly.

    Week 1-5: 600mgs
    Week 6-8: 800mgs
    Week 9-10: 1000mgs

    Typical steroid cycle utilizing Test C or E with 7500mgs total steroid load.

    Week 1-10: 750mgs

    As you can see both average the nearly identical steroid load. Assuming no other factors involved which one would be more effective for total mass accrual and strength gains?

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    I like it... Whats the highest dose or most aggressive cycle u used in the past?

    How long since your last cycle?

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    I had a one time experience using a little over 1100mgs weekly. I've always responded well to lower dosing so stuck with it but as I age I'm finding I respond less now. It could be due to being on TRT and my body grew accustomed to high normal test levels. They were never super high to begin with.

    My question though is which one do you think is more effective? I completely understand HI reasoning behind his cycle but 2 weeks at 1000mgs doesn't seem long enough to warrant the increased dosage. In the other one you start higher ad possibly experience more gains while myostatin is in the normal range.
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    @bad,

    I think what lies behind HI's logic is that you may be assuming a normal, or linear, dose/response curve vis-a-vis mg to growth. If this were the case then your reasoning would be better for growth. However, that may not be the case, and that is where HI's cycle comes out better. For instance, if the body can only grow so much during these initial weeks, and that growth is maximized at a certain dosage (in HI's case 600mg/wk and 800mg/wk respectively), then using a higher dosage would not lead to greater growth. Although, there may not be much of a detriment to just using slightly higher dosages, assuming one can handle the sides (there are those assumptions again) so in a no-harm-no-foul guideline the two cycles may be essentially equal.

    Not sure if you've discussed this angle before, but figured I'd chime in and see if we can push this thread along--I like the topic.

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    Me personally 2 week test increases is not long enough but pyramiding up is not used as much these days, what I've read in the latest bill llewelyn anabolic book, the only reason behind pyramiding up is if the steroid your using gives you bad sides you can stop at a lower dose, rather than starting at a high dose all the way through the cycle, just start at 750mg -1000mg testosterone p/w with a estrogen medication and finisteride for hair loss if yours prone to it.but if it was me I would do a testosterone 600mg deca400mg p/w, it's better to use 2 compounds rather than an abundance of one and some proviron 50mgs a day to increase libido and muscle hardess

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    I'm not an expert but I don't think it matters that much. Personally, I'd go for HI's cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by econ mba View Post
    @bad,

    I think what lies behind HI's logic is that you may be assuming a normal, or linear, dose/response curve vis-a-vis mg to growth. If this were the case then your reasoning would be better for growth. However, that may not be the case, and that is where HI's cycle comes out better. For instance, if the body can only grow so much during these initial weeks, and that growth is maximized at a certain dosage (in HI's case 600mg/wk and 800mg/wk respectively), then using a higher dosage would not lead to greater growth. Although, there may not be much of a detriment to just using slightly higher dosages, assuming one can handle the sides (there are those assumptions again) so in a no-harm-no-foul guideline the two cycles may be essentially equal.

    Not sure if you've discussed this angle before, but figured I'd chime in and see if we can push this thread along--I like the topic.

    Sean
    You bring up a very good point referring to maximum growth response per weekly steroid load. If 600mg weekly was the needed dosage to induce maximum growth then HI's cycle is the clear winner. In that mindset his is better as a beginner cycle, which it is outlined as, than the typical straight dosing scheme.
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    i like to think in terms of weekly doses seems an easy measure

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    If anyone is Googling this seven years later both matter. The more you use over time and the more you use per week the better the gains per research. Eventually the research was found to answer the original question.
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