Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    LEGEND Poker face Ace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    "You tell that punk, that I, me Jon Gotti, will sever your mother f'n head off"-Jon Gotti RIP DMX
    Posts
    8,170
    Rep Power
    2147883

    Default Are all those carbs really needed?

    Ok, I'll give you a quick recap.

    Met Cormier back in 05-06 at metropolitan show sponsored by Steve & Bev.

    First question I was itching to ask Chris Cormier was "What amount of carbs is needed for mass". He then replied "They are not needed except before and right after workouts as carbs are only used for energy". He then said "Up your protein to 1.5 to 2 grams for muscle mass". I will NEVER forget those words as I always thought the opposite. Anyway, what's yall take on that coming from real deal? Oh and he said "20 min of cardio 4x a week".

  2. #2
    OLYMPIAN Sunnyday's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Forest Hill, MD
    Posts
    10,645
    Rep Power
    2148003

    Default

    I do pretty close to that. I frame my carbs around training and protein is 2x grams. And no cardio if mass is my goal (which it is every offseason).
    2016 RX Member of the Year & March 2015 Member of the Month
    https://www.instagram.com/sunny52kg/


    https://granitesupplements.com/ideva...ate.php?id=127

  3. #3
    IFBB Pro & Senior Forum Administrator tammyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Adirondack Mountains, Upstate NY
    Posts
    7,606
    Rep Power
    2147921

    Default

    it really depends on the person and the body type too. personally I think we as BBers grossly over do protein in most cases, esp if your bulking and carbs are high, 2 g of protein per lb or even more is a waste of money and hard on your kidneys.
    APS HI TECH PHARMACEUTICALS ATHLETE
    Hersuppz.com code TAMMY
    www.team-tammyfitness.com
    pushpullgrind.com code TEAM TAMMY

  4. #4
    OLYMPIAN
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,722
    Rep Power
    1058377

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    Ok, I'll give you a quick recap.

    Met Cormier back in 05-06 at metropolitan show sponsored by Steve & Bev.

    First question I was itching to ask Chris Cormier was "What amount of carbs is needed for mass". He then replied "They are not needed except before and right after workouts as carbs are only used for energy". He then said "Up your protein to 1.5 to 2 grams for muscle mass". I will NEVER forget those words as I always thought the opposite. Anyway, what's yall take on that coming from real deal? Oh and he said "20 min of cardio 4x a week"
    bullshit, wet dreams are not real

  5. #5
    IFBB Pro & Senior Forum Administrator tammyp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Adirondack Mountains, Upstate NY
    Posts
    7,606
    Rep Power
    2147921

    Default

    its PFA...do we take any posts seriously?
    APS HI TECH PHARMACEUTICALS ATHLETE
    Hersuppz.com code TAMMY
    www.team-tammyfitness.com
    pushpullgrind.com code TEAM TAMMY

  6. #6
    TEAM CUTLER, Chem Forum Leader Sandpig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    VEGAS
    Posts
    12,575
    Rep Power
    2148087

    Default

    Like Tammy says, everyone is different. I find I can't grow without lots of good clean carbs.

    Now I know some of you probably get tired of hearing me mention Jays name but he's a big believer in massive amounts of carbs up to a 1000 grams per day.
    CutlerAthletics.com

    CutlerNutrition.com

  7. #7
    OLYMPIAN JG1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    1,470
    Rep Power
    2147717

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpig View Post
    Like Tammy says, everyone is different. I find I can't grow without lots of good clean carbs.

    Now I know some of you probably get tired of hearing me mention Jays name but he's a big believer in massive amounts of carbs up to a 1000 grams per day.
    What's jays thoughts on protein intake? Does he suggest a certain amount of grams per pound, or something other?

  8. #8
    TEAM CUTLER, Chem Forum Leader Sandpig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    VEGAS
    Posts
    12,575
    Rep Power
    2148087

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JG1 View Post
    What's jays thoughts on protein intake? Does he suggest a certain amount of grams per pound, or something other?
    Honestly I don't know what he used in his competitive days but when he was helping me with my transformation contest this past spring, he said 1.25 gms/lb for me
    CutlerAthletics.com

    CutlerNutrition.com

  9. #9
    OLYMPIAN
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,722
    Rep Power
    1058377

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpig View Post
    Like Tammy says, everyone is different. I find I can't grow without lots of good clean carbs.

    Now I know some of you probably get tired of hearing me mention Jays name but he's a big believer in massive amounts of carbs up to a 1000 grams per day.
    sandpig with jay at his size he needed them carbs, walking around 280lbs of lean muscle, plus the guy don't stop working, hes a machine

  10. #10
    TEAM CUTLER, Chem Forum Leader Sandpig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    VEGAS
    Posts
    12,575
    Rep Power
    2148087

    Default

    True but I'm only 200 and I eat 500 a day when not cutting
    CutlerAthletics.com

    CutlerNutrition.com

  11. #11
    FREAK gilbrt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    sydney,australia
    Posts
    2,192
    Rep Power
    2147717

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpig View Post
    Like Tammy says, everyone is different. I find I can't grow without lots of good clean carbs.

    Now I know some of you probably get tired of hearing me mention Jays name but he's a big believer in massive amounts of carbs up to a 1000 grams per day.
    But your not going to go that high (1000)with the carbs unless your using slin and other things plus he's genetics aren't normal but also I've tried high and low carbs and keto and I've found that the bigger I've gotten the more carbs I can eat with out putting on excessive body fat.

  12. #12
    TEAM CUTLER, Chem Forum Leader Sandpig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    VEGAS
    Posts
    12,575
    Rep Power
    2148087

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gilbrt View Post
    But your not going to go that high (1000)with the carbs unless your using slin and other things plus he's genetics aren't normal but also I've tried high and low carbs and keto and I've found that the bigger I've gotten the more carbs I can eat with out putting on excessive body fat.
    True
    CutlerAthletics.com

    CutlerNutrition.com

  13. #13
    OLYMPIAN mackdaddy567's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,048
    Rep Power
    1779518

    Default

    I keep mine moderate when trying to grow, currently i'm a pretty lean 160, and I keep fat to about 80 grams a day carbs at about 200 and protein at about 240. So thats 1.5 grams of protein per pound, and 1.2 crams of carbs plus .5 grams of fat. Works well for me. Some days I go higher on both but not two often, but if I'm super hungry ill have an In n out burger

  14. #14
    OLYMPIAN warthog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,772
    Rep Power
    2147677

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by mackdaddy567 View Post
    I keep mine moderate when trying to grow, currently i'm a pretty lean 160, and I keep fat to about 80 grams a day carbs at about 200 and protein at about 240. So thats 1.5 grams of protein per pound, and 1.2 crams of carbs plus .5 grams of fat. Works well for me. Some days I go higher on both but not two often, but if I'm super hungry ill have an In n out burger
    No offence but is Mackdaddy a mammy ? I know there are smaller guys but the more I look at those macros and bodyweight the more I think "Mackmammy maybe."

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

X vBulletin 4.2.3 Debug Information

  • Page Generation 0.15011 seconds
  • Memory Usage 7,322KB
  • Queries Executed 27 (?)
More Information
Template Usage (42):
  • (1)SHOWTHREAD
  • (1)ad_footer_end
  • (1)ad_footer_start
  • (1)ad_global_above_footer
  • (1)ad_global_below_navbar
  • (1)ad_global_header1
  • (1)ad_global_header2
  • (1)ad_navbar_below
  • (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_sig
  • (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_start
  • (1)ad_thread_first_post_content
  • (1)ad_thread_last_post_content
  • (7)bbcode_quote
  • (4)block_html
  • (1)block_threads
  • (1)facebook_footer
  • (1)facebook_header
  • (1)facebook_likebutton
  • (1)facebook_opengraph
  • (1)footer
  • (1)forumjump
  • (1)forumrules
  • (1)gobutton
  • (1)header
  • (1)headinclude
  • (1)headinclude_bottom
  • (1)im_aim
  • (1)im_yahoo
  • (14)memberaction_dropdown
  • (1)navbar
  • (4)navbar_link
  • (1)navbar_noticebit
  • (1)navbar_tabs
  • (3)option
  • (14)postbit_legacy
  • (14)postbit_onlinestatus
  • (14)postbit_wrapper
  • (3)showthread_bookmarksite
  • (1)sidebarext_temp
  • (1)spacer_close
  • (1)spacer_open
  • (1)tagbit_wrapper 

Phrase Groups Available (6):
  • global
  • inlinemod
  • postbit
  • posting
  • reputationlevel
  • showthread
Included Files (37):
  • ./showthread.php
  • ./global.php
  • ./includes/class_bootstrap.php
  • ./includes/init.php
  • ./includes/class_core.php
  • ./includes/config.php
  • ./includes/functions.php
  • ./includes/functions_navigation.php
  • ./includes/class_friendly_url.php
  • ./includes/class_hook.php
  • ./includes/class_bootstrap_framework.php
  • ./vb/vb.php
  • ./vb/phrase.php
  • ./includes/class_facebook.php
  • ./includes/facebook/facebook.php
  • ./includes/facebook/base_facebook.php
  • ./includes/functions_facebook.php
  • ./includes/functions_bigthree.php
  • ./includes/class_postbit.php
  • ./includes/class_bbcode.php
  • ./includes/functions_reputation.php
  • ./includes/class_block.php
  • ./includes/block/html.php
  • ./vb/context.php
  • ./vb/cache.php
  • ./vb/cache/db.php
  • ./vb/cache/observer/db.php
  • ./vb/cache/observer.php
  • ./includes/functions_notice.php
  • ./includes/block/threads.php
  • ./packages/vbattach/attach.php
  • ./vb/types.php
  • ./packages/skimlinks/hooks/postbit_display_complete.php
  • ./packages/skimlinks/hooks/showthread_complete.php
  • ./mobiquo/smartbanner.php
  • ./mobiquo/include/classTTConnection.php
  • ./mobiquo/smartbanner/head.inc.php 

Hooks Called (77):
  • init_startup
  • database_pre_fetch_array
  • database_post_fetch_array
  • friendlyurl_resolve_class
  • global_bootstrap_init_start
  • global_bootstrap_init_complete
  • cache_permissions
  • fetch_postinfo_query
  • fetch_postinfo
  • fetch_threadinfo_query
  • fetch_threadinfo
  • fetch_foruminfo
  • load_show_variables
  • load_forum_show_variables
  • global_state_check
  • global_bootstrap_complete
  • global_start
  • style_fetch
  • global_setup_complete
  • showthread_start
  • cache_templates
  • cache_templates_process
  • template_register_var
  • template_render_output
  • fetch_template_start
  • fetch_template_complete
  • friendlyurl_clean_fragment
  • friendlyurl_geturl
  • fb_canonical_url
  • fb_opengraph_array
  • parse_templates
  • fetch_musername
  • notices_check_start
  • notices_noticebit
  • process_templates_complete
  • showthread_getinfo
  • strip_bbcode
  • forumjump
  • friendlyurl_redirect_canonical
  • showthread_post_start
  • showthread_query_postids
  • showthread_query
  • bbcode_fetch_tags
  • bbcode_create
  • showthread_postbit_create
  • postbit_factory
  • postbit_display_start
  • reputation_power
  • reputation_image
  • postbit_imicons
  • bbcode_parse_start
  • bbcode_parse_complete_precache
  • bbcode_parse_complete
  • postbit_display_complete
  • memberaction_dropdown
  • bbcode_img_match
  • tag_fetchbit_complete
  • forumrules
  • showthread_bookmarkbit
  • navbits
  • navbits_complete
  • build_navigation_data
  • build_navigation_array
  • check_navigation_permission
  • process_navigation_links_start
  • process_navigation_links_complete
  • set_navigation_menu_element
  • build_navigation_menudata
  • build_navigation_listdata
  • build_navigation_list
  • set_navigation_tab_main
  • set_navigation_tab_fallback
  • navigation_tab_complete
  • fb_publish_checkbox
  • fb_like_button
  • showthread_complete
  • page_templates