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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalMass View Post
    As much as I love John Romano and his writing and radio skills...I think he got it wrong when he said this infamous line.

    We are seeing more and more bodybuilders drop dead and all I hear is people with their heads buried in the sand blaming "Genetic Predispositions". No, it wasn't the chronic high blood pressure for years caused by gear abuse; Nor was it the astronomical hematocrit value year round in the search for more mass; and neither was it the overuse of diuretics pre contest....nope....that's ok. Its all genetics; thats why they are all dying so young.

    What's it gonna take for things to change? Hearing these bodybuilders die left right and centre makes me want to not be a 'fan' of the sport any longer
    I agree 100% I'm still a fan, but it is a very unhealthy "sport"

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    Quote Originally Posted by fretslayer View Post
    I agree 100% I'm still a fan, but it is a very unhealthy "sport"
    I'll make what is perhaps an incorrect assumption, but by your username I'll assume you're a metal fan - as am I. Most of the guys in those bands are drunks, drug addicts or both.

    You gonna stop listening to the music you love because the participants engage in unhealthy practices?
    Fill up the syringe...

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    What is worse: a giant muscle-bound bbing champion, God of a man, dies 5-15 years early of health complications; or giant muscle bound football champion lingers on in dementia and lost motor skills dragging through life forcing loved ones to drain finances and give up their dreams to care for them; eventually dying of health complications?

    I think the future of a lot of other professional athletes is a much darker, pathetic one.

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    I do believe that studies will show that repeated short-term usage of moderate doses of steroids (3 months on/3 months off) would not have long-term consequences. the problem now is nobody is doing that any longer. I believe John's quote is from a time when people still did do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_T View Post
    I do believe that studies will show that repeated short-term usage of moderate doses of steroids (3 months on/3 months off) would not have long-term consequences. the problem now is nobody is doing that any longer. I believe John's quote is from a time when people still did do that.

    People are now on one long cycle for 20 years.

    Add in insulin and gh and yes, you put yourself at risk.

    No one is dying from casual steroid use. Most of the medication on the market has worse side effects from long term use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniacal View Post
    I'll make what is perhaps an incorrect assumption, but by your username I'll assume you're a metal fan - as am I. Most of the guys in those bands are drunks, drug addicts or both.

    You gonna stop listening to the music you love because the participants engage in unhealthy practices?
    I just said, I'm still a fan. Yes, my name is musically inspired. Fully aware of the rock and roll lifestyle and no it doesn't change my liking for the music or the musicians.

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    There's a million more bodybuilders today than there was 30 years ago. Of course they'll be more bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigZero View Post
    ALL of the subdivisions are filled with AAS users. From Bikini to super-heavyweight BBing, all top competitors are geared-up.
    Yes, I was not making a statement of usage but rather of shifting aesthetics.

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    Many of the above statements seem to be talking quality of life and no one living forever so why don't we see the 80's and 90's bodybuilding superstars still juicing to the gills? We're all going to die and the stuff is safe so why not go out massive and ripped, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma View Post
    Many of the above statements seem to be talking quality of life and no one living forever so why don't we see the 80's and 90's bodybuilding superstars still juicing to the gills? We're all going to die and the stuff is safe so why not go out massive and ripped, right?
    We don't see guys like Vince Taylor still huge and ripped?

    Maybe you need to stop using a minority to make your point. Guys who competed in the 80s would be in their 60s and 70s now and age alone keeps them from carrying more size, not to mention other age related health issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma View Post
    Many of the above statements seem to be talking quality of life and no one living forever so why don't we see the 80's and 90's bodybuilding superstars still juicing to the gills? We're all going to die and the stuff is safe so why not go out massive and ripped, right?
    Because Life happens and focus shifts. Why carry all that size if you're not competing? Why force yourself to consume all the calories needed to sustain that size if you're not competing? Most guys I know have a HARD time eating enough to stay big. I can only speak for myself, but I know when I'm done I drop some size, cuz its easier to do some of the other things I enjoy at a lighter weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    There's a million more bodybuilders today than there was 30 years ago. Of course they'll be more bodies.

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    This has a shit load to do with it.


    This decade has seen growth in the ranks more than any other.

    More people equals more people dying while doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor X View Post
    We don't see guys like Vince Taylor still huge and ripped?

    Maybe you need to stop using a minority to make your point. Guys who competed in the 80s would be in their 60s and 70s now and age alone keeps them from carrying more size, not to mention other age related health issues.
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    Using Vince Taylor as an example would be using a minority to make a point as I don't believe his peers are still "huge and ripped". I have not seen pics of him as of late so I'm not sure to what extent he is at this point. You're right about the 80's and age though. My point being that I'm guessing the pros don't keep their PED regimens post competition due to the health risks. I have to believe that is more the issue rather than because they want to get away from force feeding themselves either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma View Post
    Using Vince Taylor as an example would be using a minority to make a point as I don't believe his peers are still "huge and ripped". I have not seen pics of him as of late so I'm not sure to what extent he is at this point. You're right about the 80's and age though. My point being that I'm guessing the pros don't keep their PED regimens post competition due to the health risks. I have to believe that is more the issue rather than because they want to get away from force feeding themselves either.
    Then you probably don't understand what it takes to be that big. Most of the larger bodybuilders I know either get tired at times of eating all of the time....or they have eating disorders.

    Shit, the money it costs to eat as much as 2 or 3 normal people doesn't grow on trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_T View Post
    I do believe that studies will show that repeated short-term usage of moderate doses of steroids (3 months on/3 months off) would not have long-term consequences. the problem now is nobody is doing that any longer. I believe John's quote is from a time when people still did do that.
    Didn't consider that. Great point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor X View Post
    People are now on one long cycle for 20 years.

    Add in insulin and gh and yes, you put yourself at risk.

    No one is dying from casual steroid use. Most of the medication on the market has worse side effects from long term use.
    Just posted this video on Facebook from an interview with Dorian Yates. Similar statement made.



    Quote Originally Posted by warthog View Post
    There's a million more bodybuilders today than there was 30 years ago. Of course they'll be more bodies.

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    Also a great point!

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