"Show me the bodies!"....

[CriticalMass]

As much as I love John Romano and his writing and radio skills...I think he got it wrong when he said this infamous line.

We are seeing more and more bodybuilders drop dead and all I hear is people with their heads buried in the sand blaming "Genetic Predispositions". No, it wasn't the chronic high blood pressure for years caused by gear abuse; Nor was it the astronomical hematocrit value year round in the search for more mass; and neither was it the overuse of diuretics pre contest....nope....that's ok. Its all genetics; thats why they are all dying so young.

What's it gonna take for things to change? Hearing these bodybuilders die left right and centre makes me want to not be a 'fan' of the sport any longer

[Puma]

There does seem to be a certain amount of denial going on in that respect. They say love is blind and it does seem that there are plenty of people in love with the juice to the point of defending the use even when that lover has been abusive to them. We seem to be adding many successful divisions to competitions lately that have been promoting a more "marketable" look. I don't think this is really such a new idea to some though as natural bodybuilding has been on that road for years.

[BigZero]

There does seem to be a certain amount of denial going on in that respect. They say love is blind and it does seem that there are plenty of people in love with the juice to the point of defending the use even when that lover has been abusive to them. We seem to be adding many successful divisions to competitions lately that have been promoting a more "marketable" look. I don't think this is really such a new idea to some though as natural bodybuilding has been on that road for years.

ALL of the subdivisions are filled with AAS users. From Bikini to super-heavyweight BBing, all top competitors are geared-up.

[John Hansen]

The bodies are definitely piling up, no doubt about it. If you look at the bodybuilders from the 1960's and '70's and even the '80's, there is evidence of heart problems (many of the top pros from those eras have had heart surgeries because of clogged arteries due to steroid use for so many years), but not the deaths that are occurring today. I think we are finally seeing the consequences of steroids combined with GH use, insulin, diuretics and whatever else people are taking to be at the top level today.

[BigZero]

The bodies are definitely piling up, no doubt about it. If you look at the bodybuilders from the 1960's and '70's and even the '80's, there is evidence of heart problems (many of the top pros from those eras have had heart surgeries because of clogged arteries due to steroid use for so many years), but not the deaths that are occurring today. I think we are finally seeing the consequences of steroids combined with GH use, insulin, diuretics and whatever else people are taking to be at the top level today.

What's the difference between those individuals mentioned and regular every-day people of their generations? These people are getting old and suffering the same ailments as "healthy" people of the same age group.

[HTW]

If steroids don't kill people, something else will .. Who gives a shit.. If Ronnie Coleman dies 1 day shy of 70, people will blame steroids . For every one person that dies because of the assumption of steroid abuse, prob a million people that have never touched steroids dies( obviously that is not a correct fact, but you get what I'm saying) .. There are many killers in this world, they come at you in many forms.. Live how you wanna live, and do what you wanna do..

[Professor X]

The average male over age 40 has high blood pressure...especially if they are hispanic or black.

Steroids didn't cause that to happen.

The average person today is either pre-diabetic or full blown diabetic.

Steroids didn't cause that to happen.

I agree, long term high blood pressure and uncontrolled hematocrit are big risks and increase chances of heart attack. Steroids can cause both issues.

[Professor X]

I think a lot of people just need to accept that no one lives forever.

Your goals in life are either to improve quality of life or quantity of years. Some choose quality of life.

[swingslammer]

http://www.hopkinsvasculitis.org/typ...ranulomatosis/


The Slammer says educate on killer of Biato....that is all.

[BigZero]

http://www.hopkinsvasculitis.org/typ...ranulomatosis/


The Slammer says educate on killer of Biato....that is all.

BigZero says he posted this yesterday.

[Maniacal]

As much as I love John Romano and his writing and radio skills...I think he got it wrong when he said this infamous line.

You've got it wrong. When he said this, there were virtually none.

We are seeing more and more bodybuilders drop dead and all I hear is people with their heads buried in the sand blaming "Genetic Predispositions". No, it wasn't the chronic high blood pressure for years caused by gear abuse; Nor was it the astronomical hematocrit value year round in the search for more mass; and neither was it the overuse of diuretics pre contest....nope....that's ok. Its all genetics; thats why they are all dying so young.
You're making blanket, unproven generalizations. The onus, thus, is on you to prove genetic predispositions are playing no part in the deaths of Baito, Kovacvs, El Sonbaty, Matarazzo, et al. While steroids and ancillaries may increase the effects, genetic predispositions cannot be ignored. Matarazzo's dad died of a similar heart complication as Mike did, and I don;t believe he used gear.

What's it gonna take for things to change? Hearing these bodybuilders die left right and centre makes me want to not be a 'fan' of the sport any longer

Then don't continue to be a fan. Problem solved.

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[Maniacal]

If steroids don't kill people, something else will .. Who gives a shit.. If Ronnie Coleman dies 1 day shy of 70, people will blame steroids . For every one person that dies because of the assumption of steroid abuse, prob a million people that have never touched steroids dies( obviously that is not a correct fact, but you get what I'm saying) .. There are many killers in this world, they come at you in many forms.. Live how you wanna live, and do what you wanna do..

This.

[Maniacal]

The bodies are definitely piling up, no doubt about it. If you look at the bodybuilders from the 1960's and '70's and even the '80's, there is evidence of heart problems (many of the top pros from those eras have had heart surgeries because of clogged arteries due to steroid use for so many years), but not the deaths that are occurring today. I think we are finally seeing the consequences of steroids combined with GH use, insulin, diuretics and whatever else people are taking to be at the top level today.

Umm, how old are the pros of the 60's and 70's now? I believe millions in that age bracket are having heart complications without having ever touched a steroid.

[carrie ann simmons]

I think a lot of people just need to accept that no one lives forever.

Your goals in life are either to improve quality of life or quantity of years. Some choose quality of life.

This right here. Let grown-azz people live their lives the way they want. If whatever I do (including drugs, cigarettes, artificial sweeteners, McDonald's, running with scissors....) Kills me its my life and my choice.

[cook]

Umm, how old are the pros of the 60's and 70's now? I believe millions in that age bracket are having heart complications without having ever touched a steroid.

Yeah I'm 56 and see people younger than me dropping everyday.Nothing to do with steroids.Everybody dies at some point.