Pine Bark Extract / Grape Seed Extract

**PA Kodiak** · 09-27-2015, 07:00 AM

For those of you who have tried using Pine Bark Extract and/or Grape Seed Extract by themselves or in your own stack, how did you like it and which is better?

**baby muscle** · 09-27-2015, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by PA Kodiak

For those of you who have tried using Pine Bark Extract and/or Grape Seed Extract by themselves or in your own stack, how did you like it and which is better?

What do you use it for?

**PA Kodiak** · 09-27-2015, 07:35 AM

Pump. A friend of mine in the supplement industry tells me pine bark extract is his favorite ingredient in his own pump stack. He also tells me its much stronger tha grape seed extract. Currently I like to use Cellucor NO3 (which include grape seed extract & arginine nitrate) to help me get rediculous pumps but if pine bark works just as well it would be a lot less expensive.

**baby muscle** · 09-27-2015, 08:51 AM

Ah. Learned something. I never even think about "the pump" unless it's getting uncomfortable. I've never thought to take something for pumps either. No wonder I didn't know.

**Young Gotti** · 09-27-2015, 08:54 AM

nitrates are the best thing you can use to get a pump right now....I've used grape seed extract but it wasn't for pump, I used it for high blood pressure

**Mac** · 09-27-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Young Gotti

nitrates are the best thing you can use to get a pump right now....I've used grape seed extract but it wasn't for pump, I used it for high blood pressure

How did it work for you for BP?

**Young Gotti** · 09-27-2015, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Mac

How did it work for you for BP?

it helped...it didn't totally fix the problem but the tests came back better than before I started....it wasn't until I combined it with some other stuff that my blood pressure hit the normal range

**Mac** · 09-27-2015, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Young Gotti

it helped...it didn't totally fix the problem but the tests came back better than before I started....it wasn't until I combined it with some other stuff that my blood pressure hit the normal range

Thanks. I use Celery Seed Extract and Ubiquinol now to keep under 130/75 most days.

**Young Gotti** · 09-27-2015, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Mac

Thanks. I use Celery Seed Extract and Ubiquinol now to keep under 130/75 most days.

yeah celery seed extract is good...I also have used hawthorne berries and garlic pills to help too

with that said nitrates are good for pump but also reduce blood pressure...but I'm pretty sure that's more for the short term

**PA Kodiak** · 09-27-2015, 12:23 PM

Can anyone reccomend any good nitrates?

**Mac** · 09-27-2015, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by PA Kodiak

Can anyone reccomend any good nitrates?

Have you tried Citrulline Malate and Beta Alanine together?

**Young Gotti** · 09-27-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by PA Kodiak

Can anyone reccomend any good nitrates?

Nitrates are nitrates....it just depends on what they attach the nitrate to, my personal favorite is potassium nitrate but it makes no real difference

**The Solution** · 09-27-2015, 03:08 PM

Personally Glycerol (1.5-2g), Agmatine (1g), Nitrates (2-3g), Citrulline (6-8g) will all be superior over those 2 ingredients. for a pump aspect.

If you like NO3 i think CN3 may be a stronger pump agent for you since it offers 3g of creatine nitrate per serving (only you would tell us because everyone responds different)

Originally Posted by PA Kodiak

Pump. A friend of mine in the supplement industry tells me pine bark extract is his favorite ingredient in his own pump stack. He also tells me its much stronger tha grape seed extract. Currently I like to use Cellucor NO3 (which include grape seed extract & arginine nitrate) to help me get rediculous pumps but if pine bark works just as well it would be a lot less expensive.

**The Solution** · 09-27-2015, 03:09 PM

Not 100% True
Arginine Nitrates are key for behing a nitrate inhibitor preventing nitrate tolernace build up over time. This is what makes the nitrate to be more effective time over time again.

Creatine Nitrates have had one study done recently (CN3) on 48 subjects regarding strength, performance and endurance. (Marc Lobliner's Video on his CN3 review shows the study on his laptop) Yes they are bonded to different ingredients, but not all will work or be the same from each individual. Creatine Nitrates are also not soluble in water over longer periods of time.

Originally Posted by Young Gotti

Nitrates are nitrates....it just depends on what they attach the nitrate to, my personal favorite is potassium nitrate but it makes no real difference

**Mac** · 09-27-2015, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

Personally Glycerol (1.5-2g), Agmatine (1g), Nitrates (2-3g), Citrulline (6-8g) will all be superior over those 2 ingredients. for a pump aspect.

If you like NO3 i think CN3 may be a stronger pump agent for you since it offers 3g of creatine nitrate per serving (only you would tell us because everyone responds different)

I have never tried Glycerol for that purpose. CM does a great job for me and mitigates DOMS too.