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    it should be interesting as well. This will be Cedric's third show in four weeks, while Kai has had two weeks between contests to ruminate on how he was clearly beat in prejudging. How much, if any, will that mess with his head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Roberts View Post
    I cant wait. I wonder if Cedric will win the bodybuilding portion of the bodybuilding show again but somehow still lose the bodybuilding show because Kai dances better....
    Dancing?

    Labrada, Corney, Makawwy, Ray... were they dancing, too? It's called posing. It's part of bodybuilding and it should be scored. Kudos to Arnold.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    Its simple. Cedric was better in the morning, Kai was better at night.

    Kai is MASSIVE and when he gets dry like he did for the night show, he is fucking impressive
    They are both impressive, but only one competitor gets the trophy.

    Cedric has to eventually get an Olympia. His physique is better than Phil's, Kai's, Branch's, et al., from my viewpoint anyway, but the only view that matters is the judging panel's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    What's your goal here?

    Kai was judged the winner. Posing was included in the judging, correct? It's bodybuilding. People display their physiques to music for an audience and to judges for scoring.

    Arnold and Lorimer decided to include posing as a component to be judged as well as the physique.

    I mean, why are you complaining? Has Cedric cried foul? Do you earn money dependent on placings in contests?

    Posing is part of the judging at the Arnold, or was in Columbus, right? So by my way of thinking, the only bad information is anyone being disgruntled over the outcome of this contest.

    It's not like there haven't been close contests before. It's not like bodybuilding judging suddenly became subjective.

    "Wow. Who saw that coming? What a surprise! I think the other guy should have won."
    Do not try to make me sound negative or malicious here Curt. I am not complaining. I am merely pointing out a mistake.

    I never said judging the posing was wrong or right either. Again, I just pointed out a mistake.

    I feel that given the talk leading up to the show about the posing being scored, this is a very interesting topic. The head judge said that it had no effect, when in fact it had a monumental effect.

    Do not act as if the HEAD JUDGE of the 2nd biggest show in our sport being completely wrong about the JUDGING is a "no big deal, who cares" issue. If this is not a big/interesting enough issue to talk about in regards to bodybuilding, than nothing is, and we should just stop every discussion that pertains to this sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    Dancing?

    Labrada, Corney, Makawwy, Ray... were they dancing, too? It's called posing. It's part of bodybuilding and it should be scored. Kudos to Arnold.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxh4IGxVWz8
    I was simply making a point, not being literal. If you read my article (or look at the score card) you will see that the posing was not really scored at all beyond Kai and Cedric. Lukas over Freeman by a HUGE margin? Okay....

    Also, this discussion is not and never has been about whether or not the posing should or should not be scored. It is about understanding how it effected the show. Very different.
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    Geoff (is that how you pronounce Jeff? ) melting down in this thread. Dude, posing should be a legitimate scoring mechanism in a bodybuilding contest.

    One could argue, that Posing is the most important thing. All IFBB pros at the Olympia and Arnold Classic, have tons of muscle. A great routine (posing, music choice) absolutely can determine a champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king shizzo View Post
    Geoff (is that how you pronounce Jeff? ) melting down in this thread. Dude, posing should be a legitimate scoring mechanism in a bodybuilding contest.

    One could argue, that Posing is the most important thing. All IFBB pros at the Olympia and Arnold Classic, have tons of muscle. A great routine (posing, music choice) absolutely can determine a champion.
    You have no idea what the topic of this thread is LOL. I am not arguing against the posing round being scored and I never was (even though every single industry insider and expert besides Peter McGough hates the idea).

    I am simply pointing out a mistake made in the understanding of how the 2016 Arnold Classic was judged. At no point was this post about whether or not the round SHOULD be judged. Read the whole thing before you say anything else so foolish.
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    I actually want to suggest a topic for the next Olympia meeting. Athletes should submit posing routine songs in advance, and the highest ranked bodybuilder (currently) gets first choice.

    Nobody wants to hear the same posing song repeated constantly (#The Weekend)

    This should be an important topic. There should not be any duplicate posing songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king shizzo View Post
    Geoff (is that how you pronounce Jeff? ) melting down in this thread. Dude, posing should be a legitimate scoring mechanism in a bodybuilding contest.

    One could argue, that Posing is the most important thing. All IFBB pros at the Olympia and Arnold Classic, have tons of muscle. A great routine (posing, music choice) absolutely can determine a champion.
    they shouldn't count the posing if they can't get rid of the guts. Kai looked 6 months in prejudge. Personally I thought his routine was really good but is Fred smalls gonna win the pose round and be a legit Arnold Ohio contender cause he HAS to win the pose round crowd goes ballistic whenever he poses
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    It's cluster fucks like this that make me very glad that I could give a fuck about contests and don't cover that portion of bodybuilding.

    But after reading all of this and Geoff's article, he does have a valid point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Aceto View Post
    they shouldn't count the posing if they can't get rid of the guts. Kai looked 6 months in prejudge. Personally I thought his routine was really good but is Fred smalls gonna win the pose round and be a legit Arnold Ohio contender cause he HAS to win the pose round crowd goes ballistic whenever he poses
    Chris, did you realize that Kai beat Cedric solely because of the posing round according to the scorecard? That is what this thread is really about. Steve said Kai would have won without the posing round, but that is not true at all. Unless the card was mislabeled, which I doubt.

    Cedric wins 14 to 16 without the posing round. Also... Kai was the only guy in the whole show who moved up with his posing routine, the only one. Talk about some more Cedric controversy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Aceto View Post
    they shouldn't count the posing if they can't get rid of the guts. Kai looked 6 months in prejudge. Personally I thought his routine was really good but is Fred smalls gonna win the pose round and be a legit Arnold Ohio contender cause he HAS to win the pose round crowd goes ballistic whenever he poses
    Chris, we all know that politics plays a role. But.........the posing routine is absolutely critical! It literally can be the difference between top 5, and 1st place.

    Paul Dillett is a good example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Roberts View Post
    Do not try to make me sound negative or malicious here Curt. I am not complaining.
    You're calling Weinberger a liar. That's not what I'd call positive. Lol

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    and we should just stop every discussion that pertains to this sport.

    That's just crazy talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Roberts View Post
    Chris, did you realize that Kai beat Cedric solely because of the posing round according to the scorecard? That is what this thread is really about. Steve said Kai would have won without the posing round, but that is not true at all. Unless the card was mislabeled, which I doubt.

    Cedric wins 14 to 16 without the posing round. Also... Kai was the only guy in the whole show who moved up with his posing routine, the only one. Talk about some more Cedric controversy...
    Do think Cedric's physique looks better than Kai's? Yes.

    Is that the only thing that is judged in a bodybuilding contest? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    You're calling Weinberger a liar. That's not what I'd call positive. Lol



    That's just crazy talk.
    Find where I call him a liar Curt. That is not true. I say that he is EITHER lying, OR unaware of how the show was judged. That is not the same as calling him a liar.
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