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    I hope this doesn't come off as mean as it is not intended to be that way

    But you come off as a bitter/stubborn old man who is close minded.

    As you clearly can't have an adult discussion about this given how you've responded I'm going to simply stop responding. I'm not a fan of these "internet" back and forths where nothing gets accomplished. It comes off as very childish...

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    I've asked for evidence of real world results. You've replied three times without making any attempt to present any. That's not a discussion. That's me asking and you not providing.

    Don't say you're not being mean and mention that you think I'm bitter/stubborn and old - tiny bit of a contradiction. I've not mentioned your age. I make no comment regarding any view I might have as to your knowledge or skill set.

    There's nothing which says you have to like how I say something. I'd suggest it's not important. It shouldn't prevent you from showing how you think use of the techniques has proven real world successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastFitness View Post
    I hope this doesn't come off as mean as it is not intended to be that way

    But you come off as a bitter/stubborn old man who is close minded.

    As you clearly can't have an adult discussion about this given how you've responded I'm going to simply stop responding. I'm not a fan of these "internet" back and forths where nothing gets accomplished. It comes off as very childish...

    I don't see this at all. I was hoping to see the evidence as well.

    But I would probably fit your above comment too so I will not say anything more to eliminate being coined childish.

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    Thank you Mac. Alex is, as he's inferred, younger. My age and thus hands on experience, personal results and, I hope, knowledge makes me think that, if not 'I've seen it all before' I've certainly seen a lot like it ha ha

    Thus I can dig out very old references, photos and the like showing lifters from nigh on 100 years ago who are flexible but not overly muscular. I can find large athletes (300lbs) who are surprisingly lithe (Ronnie Coleman doing the splits is an obvious example). My sorry old ass knows that John Parillo was talking about, writing on and teaching fascia stretching LONG before Dante (another great coach). But, as far as I know Trudel doesn't claim to have created it so... Hence my comment way back in the thread about little being new.

    But Dante etc MUST be able to show that the FST and the like work. If Alex, as he seems to suggest, trains clients in his business and is seeing results worth a mention then this might be useful. If either Dante or Parillo produced name worthy champs, had great before and after evidence to suggest the intra training stretching really, really works I wanna see it. I really do. It's the work of moments for me to include a little stretching for my chest between sets of benching if it's useful. My opinion, without seeing the evidence is it isn't except under those previously mentioned really quite odd conditions.

    I've a buddy who used to train with us in our warehouse gym in Gloucester (aka 'the whey house' back when I had my own supplement company). He picked all our brains (most were competing strength athletes - indeed he competed briefly) while at the same time doing his nutritional studies (he also took DNA samples in criminal cases). Later on he was interviewed on county radio and is a speaker at the up-coming BodyPower 2016 here in the UK. He's a likeable guy. But I'd like to think he doesn't claim to know anything new as such - just offers a science based deep understanding of what works and is able to put that across in a clear, concise and understandable way. Human biology and it's response to nutrition are not new. Our understanding is just 'better'.

    What sometimes happens and we see it often in our business is the claim to have invented something new. Usually it's a twist on a very old idea. It's a great way to get clients, attract attention and seem different. But, as per peer reviewed studies, only when we get to look at the study, pick over the methodology and results to we see if this is actually the case. Hence Parillo to Trudel to Rambod. The latter two cannot claim to be new if Parillo did it first. And I'd LOVE to see any of the three, or Alex, have success with either a average Joe (who might have just got more muscular anyway from being untrained to trained) or, better still, a 'maxed out' pro (as I said before) newly bigger and freakier.
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    parillo is great , but by the time he began talking about myo fascial release and stretching it was already around ...just not in bodybuilding . A physical therapist , John Barnes ( sp ) in the 60s or 70s did quite a bit of research on it but I wouldn't be surprised if techniques were used before that as well . Stretching between sets was popular when I began ( and probably earlier ) . Many felt that it helped with detail and separation ..I actually agree with that .

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