In your opinion, who is the most underrated Pro Bodybuilder of all time?

[Curt James]

Any rumors as to what drug killed Muntzer?

i know he was on a cocktail of stuff but was it something like a diuretic that did the damage?

I read diuretics and being extremely lean all the time

March 14 was the 20th anniversary of Münzer's death. May he rest in peace.

How Legendary Bodybuilder Who Died With Almost Zero Body Fat Lives On

By Liz Neporent

Mar 25, 2015

Austrian bodybuilder Andreas Münzer, who died 19 years ago this month, remains both the gold standard and a cautionary tale for men striving for the ripped, lean look the sport demands.

Although it could not be confirmed, he appears to have died from multiple organ failure, the likely result of years of alleged anabolic steroid abuse. He was 31, and easily recognizable from the images that have gone viral in recent days.

Münzer's autopsy revealed he had almost 0 percent body fat, the legend goes. Such a small amount of body fat could have hastened his demise, experts say.

“You need body fat for cellular function, energy use and to pad the joints and organs,” said Carol Garber, professor of movement sciences at Columbia University in New York City. “Having too little can lead to nutritional deficiencies, electrolyte imbalances and malfunction of the heart, kidney and other organs.”

Men require at least 3 percent body fat and women at least 12 percent in order for the body to function properly, Garber said. Below that is where you start to see serious health problems. Sometimes it leads to organ failure and death, she added.

But despite the risks, Münzer's pictures and profile frequently go viral on bodybuilding forums all these years later because of the sports’ perpetual obsession with stripping every last ounce of adipose tissue from their body, according to Brian Washington, commissioner of the United States Bodybuilding Federation.

“Percentage of body fat is a major issue with bodybuilders,” Washington said. “They devote a lot of their efforts and money on products to go as low as they can possibly go.”

Others agree. “There are still some bodybuilders obsessed about their numbers who take their body fat percentage readings on a regular basis readers,” said Louis Zwick, the producer of Musclemania, a bodybuilding and fitness competition production company, adding that even those who don’t care about an exact percentage do care about getting as ripped as possible for competition.

Zwick, who said he was part of the film crew that taped Münzer’s last competition before his death 10 days later, said the Austrian was very lean but doubts his body was completely absent of fat.

“I’ve never really seen anyone who really had zero body fat,” he said. “You just can’t be. You wouldn’t survive.”

But it is possible to get down to so little body fat it becomes unmeasurable by standard methods, Columbia’s Garber said. Pinching the skin to measure the thickness of fat just below the surface is the most common way of measuring body fat percentage, she said. It wouldn’t be precise enough to estimate the degree of accuracy needed to make such a claim, she said.

The average bodybuilder is probably between 3 and 5 percent body fat, at least during competition season, Musclemania producer Zwick estimated. Some cycle up in weight during the off-season but as the sport has moved toward a more natural look in the past decade, many strive to stay in shape all year long, he said.

Münzer, Zwick said, was leaner than most. He was always muscled up and stripped of fat.

“That’s why he’s still a legend today,” he said.

From http://abcnews.go.com/Health/legenda...ry?id=29899438

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UlktNyPa34

[Curt James]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-zFytxpX_A

[BananaHammock]

March 14 was the 20th anniversary of Münzer's death. May he rest in peace.

How Legendary Bodybuilder Who Died With Almost Zero Body Fat Lives On

By Liz Neporent

Mar 25, 2015

Austrian bodybuilder Andreas Münzer, who died 19 years ago this month, remains both the gold standard and a cautionary tale for men striving for the ripped, lean look the sport demands.

Although it could not be confirmed, he appears to have died from multiple organ failure, the likely result of years of alleged anabolic steroid abuse. He was 31, and easily recognizable from the images that have gone viral in recent days.

Münzer's autopsy revealed he had almost 0 percent body fat, the legend goes. Such a small amount of body fat could have hastened his demise, experts say.

“You need body fat for cellular function, energy use and to pad the joints and organs,” said Carol Garber, professor of movement sciences at Columbia University in New York City. “Having too little can lead to nutritional deficiencies, electrolyte imbalances and malfunction of the heart, kidney and other organs.”

Men require at least 3 percent body fat and women at least 12 percent in order for the body to function properly, Garber said. Below that is where you start to see serious health problems. Sometimes it leads to organ failure and death, she added.

But despite the risks, Münzer's pictures and profile frequently go viral on bodybuilding forums all these years later because of the sports’ perpetual obsession with stripping every last ounce of adipose tissue from their body, according to Brian Washington, commissioner of the United States Bodybuilding Federation.

“Percentage of body fat is a major issue with bodybuilders,” Washington said. “They devote a lot of their efforts and money on products to go as low as they can possibly go.”

Others agree. “There are still some bodybuilders obsessed about their numbers who take their body fat percentage readings on a regular basis readers,” said Louis Zwick, the producer of Musclemania, a bodybuilding and fitness competition production company, adding that even those who don’t care about an exact percentage do care about getting as ripped as possible for competition.

Zwick, who said he was part of the film crew that taped Münzer’s last competition before his death 10 days later, said the Austrian was very lean but doubts his body was completely absent of fat.

“I’ve never really seen anyone who really had zero body fat,” he said. “You just can’t be. You wouldn’t survive.”

But it is possible to get down to so little body fat it becomes unmeasurable by standard methods, Columbia’s Garber said. Pinching the skin to measure the thickness of fat just below the surface is the most common way of measuring body fat percentage, she said. It wouldn’t be precise enough to estimate the degree of accuracy needed to make such a claim, she said.

The average bodybuilder is probably between 3 and 5 percent body fat, at least during competition season, Musclemania producer Zwick estimated. Some cycle up in weight during the off-season but as the sport has moved toward a more natural look in the past decade, many strive to stay in shape all year long, he said.

Münzer, Zwick said, was leaner than most. He was always muscled up and stripped of fat.

“That’s why he’s still a legend today,” he said.

From http://abcnews.go.com/Health/legenda...ry?id=29899438

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UlktNyPa34

Curt why the hell didn't you put a warning on that vid?!?! That shower scene isn't like the one in Porky's

[MusclePoppins]

Glad pro don't use a ton of drugs today???

The goal isn't multiple organ failure. You can use drugs without killing yourself.

[Anders JP Eskilsson]

Mike Quinn is pretty underrated from my perspective

[chrismac365]

Probably not totally underrated but Brian Buchanan is a guy who had a great physique.

His tiny waist really shows up today's bodybuilders.

This is my vote as well

[Darkseid]

Easily.

I back it up this statement.

I remember Aaron in the Flex Magazine workout and he was a great spoke athlete plus his body was one of the best at the time.

[Captainheman]

I would have to say Aaron baker and Thierry pastel!!

[Captainheman]

And that's all folks!!! Great post

[Captainheman]

Underrated by whom? Dexter's been rewarded with an Olympia and multiple Arnold's. I'd say he's been overrated. Has he ever blown away a line-up at any show? He never stands out and could finish multiple spots lower at each show and no one would care.

As for Andreas Munzer, he's the perfect example of what we don't want in bodybuilding. He abused his organs and died in the name of three 9ths, one 13th and a DNP at the Olympia.

Thierry Pastel is the most underrated bodybuilder of all-time. 5'2". Tremendous bodyparts, especially his arms and abs, as well as all-time great aesthetics. He'd be a contender in the 212 at under 180, and if he were even just 5'7" he'd be an Olympia winner.

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THIERRY PASTEL
Born: June 6, 1959
Birthplace: Riviere Pilote, Martinique, FRANCE
Residence: Ozoir-la-Ferrière, Ile de France, FRANCE
Nickname: Abzilla
Height: 5' 2" (160 cm)
Competition Weight: 178 lbs (81 kg)

Mr. & Masters Olympia Results
1991 - IFBB Mr. Olympia : 8th
1992 - IFBB Mr. Olympia : 10th
1994 - IFBB Mr. Olympia : 14th


Titles Won
1984 - WABBA World Championships
1986 - WABBA World Championships Pro
1987 - WABBA European Championships Pro
1987 - WABBA World Championships Pro

And that's all folks!! Great pose

[Puma]

In considering the term "underrated", I'd take into account the degree of physique contrasted to name recognition by fans of the sport. In that respect Theirry Pastel probably edges Aaron Baker. For me. I'll add Jeff King who was so strongly associated with the AAU that he would never be given a chance to shine in IFBB (there were others like Eduardo Kawak that were eventually allowed to transition from NABBA to IFBB but such was not the case with King who came up the ranks in the NPC's chief rival). He certainly could have been a factor in the Olympia 1984-86.

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[roccco]

Bertil Fox double murder aside he was a great bodybuilder

Killer arms and chest

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[BananaHammock]

Killer arms and chest

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Good show

[TheTradeMark]

Tom Platz!

He should have won at least 2 Mr Os

[Puma]

Tom Platz!

He should have won at least 2 Mr Os

Probably 1981 but I think the bicep tear happened right after that. Roy Callender and Danny Padilla also looked real good that year though.