Bulking diet with limited/no carbs - Good Idea?

**KingofNiger** · 07-22-2009, 03:11 PM

I'm planning a major bulk because I am of a very low bodyweight. My problem is I feel really shitty when I eat carbs, more so white but almost all carbs leave me feeling tired, lethargic, and very very very full.

When I am on a high protein frequent meal diet with lower carbs I feel great! High energy, frequently hungry etc.

I think I may develop diabetes later in life based on what a doctor told me so I was reading the bodybuilding an diabetes article here on the site and I was wondering if that diet would be sufficient for putting on mass in my situation? If not, where would you add carbs or take away fat?

Meal 1) 2 whole omega-3 eggs, 4 egg whites, 1oz fat free cheese, veg (e.g. green pepper, mushroom)

Meal 2) 2 scoops whey protein with water

Meal 3) 8oz chicken breast, broccoli

Meal 4) 1 cup fat free yogurt or 1 cup 1% cottage cheese

Meal 5) 8 oz Salmon, tuna (in water), flounder etc (fish is a major insulin sensitizer), veg or salad

Meal 6) Protein shake (with water) or 1 cup yogurt or 1 cup cottage cheese

bonus me and markus ruhl thanks

**JayV** · 07-22-2009, 03:20 PM

I think that is a very clean diet, but in my opinion you are going to need to add in more good fats to get the caloric count higher. As for the carbs, I think you should maybe look at adding some, but time them around your training.

**KingofNiger** · 07-22-2009, 03:41 PM

I'm going to be training in the morning most likely, so My first meal would be as is listed, and then my second could be brown rice and chicken, then meal 3 woud be a shake, then the rest as listed.

As for good fats, I think maybe peanut butter with a shake or flax oil could do it. Any suggestions?

**JayV** · 07-22-2009, 03:57 PM

Macadamia oil is good for cooking eggs in. Macadamia or olive oil is good added to shakes.

**KingofNiger** · 07-22-2009, 04:45 PM

How many calories would you figure this diet is per day?

**Wolfstriked** · 07-22-2009, 05:45 PM

Wheres the fat and the calories it has?Your way low on calories and your gonna lose weight eating that.2 scoops of whey as an example is 250cal.

I say eat meals....6 whole eggs,1/2 pound ground beef,whey shakes with 2tbsps ANPB etc...get your carbs from nuts.If you add carbs around workout then eat em before and after the workout.

**TigerUpperCut** · 07-22-2009, 07:37 PM

carbs make my workouts better

**freak** · 07-22-2009, 09:10 PM

i'd say you'll need carbs to put on any noticeable size, even palumbo suggests this.

**dropshot001** · 07-22-2009, 10:09 PM

you will be hindering your gains if you don't use many carbs

**GottaGetLean** · 07-22-2009, 10:14 PM

yea bro if u wana get big theres only 1 way, gotta eat carbs and train hard.. with a diet like that ur not gona put on much size at all..

**Frosty** · 07-22-2009, 10:56 PM

You can gain with low carbs but the key is that there ARE carbs in the diet, just used differently. If you do low carb all the time and have a 'refeed' once every 5-7 days then you can put on weight with low carb. Protein should be high at 2g/lb bwt. Start out on the lower end with fat say 40-45% calories and increase IF needed based on caloric demands. Yes you can get fat eating low carb...trust me I've done it lol. PWO carbs only if your workouts require them with plenty of volume and higher reps. Otherwise have fun on the refeed and try to keep it on the cleaner side. You'll put on weight slower than with carbs, but the gains should be leaner given what you described about yourself. 4:1:1 ratio BCAAs and leucine can be used to your advantage to put on size and strength without a diet full of carbs.

**JayV** · 07-22-2009, 10:59 PM

Frosty to the rescue with good advice,as usual.

**militantmuscle** · 07-22-2009, 11:03 PM

You need a considerable amount of carbs to realize your maximum potential in gaining mass.

How many grams of carbohydrate do you consumer per meal? Have you experimented trying to find a 'cutoff' of sorts? What did the doctor say exactly to make you think you will develop diabetes in the future?

**KingofNiger** · 07-23-2009, 10:14 AM

I did a blood glucose test at a clinic where they pricked my hand ever few minutes to see how I am processing glucose. The results were that it appeared I did not process glucose very well.

I believe I will try to consume 2-3 cups of brown rice before and immediately after my training, spread over 2-3 meals. Do you think this will be sufficient?

**Frosty** · 07-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Don't eat rice before training! You won't handle it well from what you say. POST training your glucose tolerance is jacked up assuming your training was sufficient to produce this result. Something like 5x5 won't do it nearly as much as 10x10.

You may also consider some supplements that are geared toward improving glucose tolerance. Herbals like gymnema sylvestre and banaba come to mind.

I would also consider making sure you get in enough micronutrients needed for glucose tolerance. Chromium polynicotinate (800-1,000mcg/day pref taken with carbs), magnesium chelates such as taurate, glycinate, orotate, aspartate in 400+mg per day, natural vitamin E 200-800 IU total per day, zinc chelates like aspartate or methionine (dose should be determined by using a Zinc sulfate solution to determine zinc status first), even vanadyl sulfate can be used for a period of a month or so at 50mg per day divided up.

You should get your glucose tolerance better before trying to use carbs much. For health AND results.

What is your body fat? It's hard to tell from the pic and it looks like you got some chub going on there. Perhaps you should get leaner before trying to bulk to help glucose tolerance?