Are genetics even important anymore?

[Big Beat]

Well if genetics are not important and drugs are everthing why isn't bostin lloyd a pro yet? For the amount of drugs he takes he should be the most massive bodybuilder on the planet and be unbeatable in the mr olympia.

Bostin is one of the worst responders to steroids in the history of bodybuilding. Shitty genetics.

Total opposite to a hyper responder like Paul Dillett who barely need to train to become ridiculously huge.

[Snotboards]

Cant you change bone structure with pharmaceutical gh or igf1? Everything grows if you take the right compound.

[Mobster]

Cant you change bone structure with pharmaceutical gh or igf1? Everything grows if you take the right compound.

This is easy - if that worked you'd have seen a cycle. Something like 'IGF-1 - broadening the shoulder'. You haven't so...

[nzgs]

Maybe for natural bodybuilders......genetics has just become an excuse for ppl in pro rankings, it's an easy cop out answer....i always laugh when ppl say pro bodybuilders are the most genetically gifted in the world...haha imagine if the truly gifted athletes like LeBron James or Mike trout juiced themselves to the gill and trained like a gills....they would be crushing the ifbb

Hardly anyone has the genetics to build full and round arm, chest, quad and back muscle bellies. If you juiced up elite athletes they would look like 1990s sprinters; big and muscular but nowhere near elite bodybuilders.

[Big Beat]

Hard to build lower lats, glutes and hams, 3-d shoulders with big seperated rear delts without plenty of juice.

Wide shouldered guys have a harder time building chest. The shoulder take too much weight on chest exercises for wide shouldered guys.

[Young Gotti]

Genetics are EVERYTHING. All the above mentioned items from structure, response to drugs all starts with genetics. Can't beat DNA in bodybuilding or anything else for now. Who knows what the future will hold. Scary how fast science is evolving

Yeah and they say leverone has great genetics, responds well to gear and he has zero Olympia titles....it works both ways

[Young Gotti]

Hardly anyone has the genetics to build full and round arm, chest, quad and back muscle bellies. If you juiced up elite athletes they would look like 1990s sprinters; big and muscular but nowhere near elite bodybuilders.

Yeah I don't agree with that

[hifrommike65]

I'm not so sure. My admittedly very basic understanding of gene tech means I can see how changing it after your teens would help. I say teens cos that's when a LOT of guys get into training. The sheer cost would be an issue so it won't be teens but adults that could afford it.

So an adult with the income uses something gene tech based to inhibit or unlock certain genetic traits. It wouldn't be an instant over night transformation and those parts which change slowly would still change slowly.

Which brings us back to structure, joints and so on. Any such tech needs to be able to change these and won't. No drug will reduce hip to shoulder ratio. No drug will shrink a joint dimension. And certainly not in an adult. In a teen... maybe.

You've also got potential side effects. Bodybuilders tend to jump on some research chemicals before we understand the tech properly. We've already got drugs in use which help muscle but also might increase the cancer cells. The body tends to have inhibitors which a single gene switch might not switch off. You'd have 'take product X and increase muscle at the gene level' but also 'grow bigger lungs' or something daft

Even if we can't change a person's DNA to affect their muscle potential, we might be able to plan the person with genetic engineering while the person is in the womb, or even before the person is conceived. Some have said that biology will be to the 21st century what physics (the bomb, nuclear power) was to the 20th.

[Mobster]

Even if we can't change a person's DNA to affect their muscle potential, we might be able to plan the person with genetic engineering while the person is in the womb, or even before the person is conceived. Some have said that biology will be to the 21st century what physics (the bomb, nuclear power) was to the 20th.

For physique? That'd be tantamount to abuse. For health yes.

[katzmonster]

genetics are what counts.respond to steroids is even genetics.i have been around several guys that were on steroids they weren't as big as me they weren't as strong as me.they didn't respond well to the drugs'i've also seen people take steroids and leave in me the dust.genetics are the most important thing but even with the right genetics you still have to bust your ass in the gym. even people that have the right genetics fail because they don't have the drive to bust their ass in the gym.mike mentzer benched 365 when he was 16,jay cutler benched 300 before he started to train.they were steroid free that's genetics.

[hifrommike65]

For physique? That'd be tantamount to abuse. For health yes.

Do you think a parent who wants the best for a planned child is going to consider whether it's abuse or not? It will probably be illegal, but that won't keep some people with enough money from doing it.

[Cips1975]

Yeah and they say leverone has great genetics, responds well to gear and he has zero Olympia titles....it works both ways

I respectfully disagree. Regardless of an Olympia title or not, Levrone is considered one of the best ever with a ton of titles under his belt, during a time when he competed against some of the most superior guys ever AKA most genetically gifted. Considering the subjectivity of judging it can be argued that Levrone could have won a Olympia. I throw Shawn Ray in that mix. To further my point, regardless of the placing in his comeback, to do what he did at 50 something was amazing. Put aside the last placing and knee issues he had, when you think about it. He is a genetic marvel and did something a lot of older bodybuilders could never do. Genetics.

[hifrommike65]

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Levrone,+Kevin (This website is not complete, but does cover many contest wins)

Contest wins by Kevin:

1991 NPC Nationals, pro qualification
1992 Grand Prix Germany, Night of the Champions
1993 Grand Prix Germany
1994 Grand Prix France/Italy, San Jose Pro
1995 Grand Prix Germany/Russia/Spain
1996 Arnold Classic, San Jose Pro
1997 Grand Prix Germany/Russia/Czech Republic/England/Finland/Hungary/Spain
1998 San Francisco Pro
1999 Grand Prix England

[Young Gotti]

I respectfully disagree. Regardless of an Olympia title or not, Levrone is considered one of the best ever with a ton of titles under his belt, during a time when he competed against some of the most superior guys ever AKA most genetically gifted. Considering the subjectivity of judging it can be argued that Levrone could have won a Olympia. I throw Shawn Ray in that mix. To further my point, regardless of the placing in his comeback, to do what he did at 50 something was amazing. Put aside the last placing and knee issues he had, when you think about it. He is a genetic marvel and did something a lot of older bodybuilders could never do. Genetics.

Genetics is just a cop out answer and just because they made pro levels don't means super genetically gifted....just real genetic freaks are playing actual sports like basketball and football

Take Brandon curry for example...he started training like a man and changed his physical....how many ppl probably said his genetics only let him get to a certain level throughout the years....that he has now blasted past

The way ppl use the words genetics is totally over blown and lazy journalism.....leverones comeback was a failure..what he did at 50 was cool, the way he hyped it up along with other media outlets that he had a chance to win because of his genetics was laughable

[Big Beat]

Genetics is just a cop out answer and just because they made pro levels don't means super genetically gifted....just real genetic freaks are playing actual sports like basketball and football

Take Brandon curry for example...he started training like a man and changed his physical....how many ppl probably said his genetics only let him get to a certain level throughout the years....that he has now blasted past

The way ppl use the words genetics is totally over blown and lazy journalism.....leverones comeback was a failure..what he did at 50 was cool, the way he hyped it up along with other media outlets that he had a chance to win because of his genetics was laughable

I agree, many many people can get really big packing a lot of muscle. Ronnie size with his quality is unique though.

After that its a beauty contest.