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    Default Did Ramy just win an IFBB show or an IFBB pro league show?

    Hopefully someone can straighten this out for me. So due to the recent split there are now two organizations in bodybuilding.

    IFBB Pro League/NPC- Run by president Jim Manion. IFBB pro athletes compete in these events, Olympia, Arnold etc.

    IFBB/ifbb amateur- Run by president Dr. Raphael Santoja. Amateur league with separate pro section designated as "elite pro. IFBB pro athletes from manions organization do not compete in these leagues.

    With that in mind can someone explain this:
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    Dr. Raphael Santoja and Arnold giving ramy the prize at the Arnold Spain, which is what I thought a manion run ifbb pro show. Do these wins count officially? I didn't think Santoja had anything to do with these pro events anymore. He wasn't even at the Olympia.

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    Good God, how is this confusing?

    IFBB-Raphael is Amateur.

    IFBB Pro League is, well, PROFESSIONAL.

    Ramy is a professional.

    1 + 1 = 2

    Forget about who or what was making whatever appearance for the sake of Politics.

    Pro Show = Pro League

    Raph's IFBB = Amateur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple-H_2005 View Post
    Good God, how is this confusing?

    IFBB-Raphael is Amateur.

    IFBB Pro League is, well, PROFESSIONAL.

    Ramy is a professional.

    1 + 1 = 2

    Forget about who or what was making whatever appearance for the sake of Politics.

    Pro Show = Pro League

    Raph's IFBB = Amateur
    Didn't mean to upset you, I am just curious as to why Santoja is crowning the victor of a manions ifbb pro event. They are not exactly on good terms right now.

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    Who's side is Arnold on.....thats very important.

    Little Jimmy and Little Rafael will come running if Arnold clicks his fingers .

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    The change is not taking place until 2018

    That's why Rafael was involved with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Beat View Post
    Who's side is Arnold on.....thats very important.

    Little Jimmy and Little Rafael will come running if Arnold clicks his fingers .
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    Arnold was originally European, with roots & alliances there. We'll see how it evolves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvanL View Post
    Hopefully someone can straighten this out for me. So due to the recent split there are now two organizations in bodybuilding.

    IFBB Pro League/NPC- Run by president Jim Manion. IFBB pro athletes compete in these events, Olympia, Arnold etc.

    IFBB/ifbb amateur- Run by president Dr. Raphael Santoja. Amateur league with separate pro section designated as "elite pro. IFBB pro athletes from manions organization do not compete in these leagues.

    With that in mind can someone explain this:
    Screenshot_20170923-154310.jpg
    Dr. Raphael Santoja and Arnold giving ramy the prize at the Arnold Spain, which is what I thought a manion run ifbb pro show. Do these wins count officially? I didn't think Santoja had anything to do with these pro events anymore. He wasn't even at the Olympia.

    Raphael is the promoter of the ASC/ Spain

    The Pro show is sanctioned by the IFBB Pro League, as it always has.

    He doesn't have anything to do with the Pro portion of the event

    This was was scheduled and put into place last year, so it was business as usual...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chick View Post
    Raphael is the promoter of the ASC/ Spain

    The Pro show is sanctioned by the IFBB Pro League, as it always has.

    He doesn't have anything to do with the Pro portion of the event

    This was was scheduled and put into place last year, so it was business as usual...
    No reflection on Arnold, but the Amateur IFBB has full pockets (as full of under-the-table money as they can hold), & if their managers walked past a bank alarm it would go off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifrommike65 View Post
    No reflection on Arnold, but the Amateur IFBB has full pockets (as full of under-the-table money as they can hold), & if their managers walked past a bank alarm it would go off.

    Yep...well, their pockets are about to become a whole lot lighter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifrommike65 View Post
    Is that supposed to be in reference to my last post?

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    Hey Bob what's to stop a future3 split in the IFBB Pro League if someone thinks they can make a few more bucks?

    Boxing has lots of world organisations.....WBA......WBC......IBF......WBA.. ....IBO.......IBC........WBF.........etc etc

    Remember Roy Jones Jr after winning a fight with 7 different organisations world championship belts wrapped around every part of his body.

    Boxing has got so bad nobody knows who the heavywight world champion is anymore. That belt was once the pinnicle of all sport.

    Whats to say somebody doesn't pull the rug from under your feet in a couple of years.

    What goes around comes around.

    Bodybuilding, bodybuilders and fans are better off under one coherent world organisations just like the IOC and FIFA. Fragmenting the sport might make some guys pockets lighter and others heavier but that is a short term vision for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Beat View Post
    Hey Bob what's to stop a future3 split in the IFBB Pro League if someone thinks they can make a few more bucks?

    Boxing has lots of world organisations.....WBA......WBC......IBF......WBA.. ....IBO.......IBC........WBF.........etc etc

    Remember Roy Jones Jr after winning a fight with 7 different organisations world championship belts wrapped around every part of his body.

    Boxing has got so bad nobody knows who the heavywight world champion is anymore. That belt was once the pinnicle of all sport.

    Whats to say somebody doesn't pull the rug from under your feet in a couple of years.

    What goes around comes around.

    Bodybuilding, bodybuilders and fans are better off under one coherent world organisations just like the IOC and FIFA. Fragmenting the sport might make some guys pockets lighter and others heavier but that is a short term vision for the future.
    First....history.

    The IFBB ( and subsequently, IFBB Pro League from 2005)...established themselves over 50 years ago. The Mr. Olympia became the universally accepted title of "worlds best" and Joe Weider built an empire.

    Much like in other sports, there has pretty much always been one federation, org, etc. that has risen above all others with the best players.

    The NFL, MLB, NBA, PGA, etc....all are recognized as the bets of the best. Same with the IFBB Pro League. Competitors want their name synonymous with the past greats of our sport...Scott, Schwarzenegger, Haney.....

    Same with the Amateurs...Much like I looked at the past winners of the USA and wanted my picture on that wall at Golds Gym Venice, and then compete as a IFBB Pro.

    There are two mountains ANY Bodybuilder wants to scale.

    IFBB Pro status
    Competing on the Olympia stage

    The Europeans have been held back, fleeced for money, had their dreams squashed because of a antiquated system and a split business model. No more.

    The IFBB Pro League will dominate worldwide just as the NPC has since the early 80's here in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chick View Post
    Is that supposed to be in reference to my last post?
    I was laughing at the thought that Santonja is gonna lose his cash cow.

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