Dallas McCarver's autopsy released - Dave's analysis

[phatkid77]

I personally feel Rich Piana was a speeding train that knew it would wreck sooner rather than later. Not so Dallas, who had fair warning earlier in the year when he collapsed at a show & went to a cardiologist. Why that doc didn't catch his cardiovascular problems bums me out. It should have been caught.

The report mentions the March collapse and a visit to the ER... he walked out feeling better with a recommendation to follow up with cardiologist. They say he never did....


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[Mac]

And I’m so grateful you’re still with us

You're too kind.

[joe-ali]

I have to ask this because it is bothering the shit out ofme. Why was Dallas testosterone test done in ng/ml rather than normal ng/dl? For his test to be 55,000 ng/dl he would need to be on like what 12-15grams of test??? I had a blood test on 4 grams of gear (which I did as an experiment for two months; so no different result than 2 grams except more bloat and higher blood pressure) any way my total test was 10000ng/dl. Is it possible the lab just made a typo ml instead of dl? Or does it make sense for a non competing Pro to use 12-15grams of gear?? Would really like to know the truth here, it is driving me nuts

[Fella Finn]

Why that doc didn't catch his cardiovascular problems bums me out. It should have been caught.

I really hate saying this because Dallas was such a genuine and likable person but I'm pretty sure Dallas very well knew the possible consequences of his actions but he was still ready to do whatever it took to get where he wanted anyway.

Regardless this nice young man passed away way too early and will always be missed. R.I.P Big Country

[Poker face Ace]

3 major factors contributed to his clogged arteries. 1) genetics 2) lotsssss of red meat he'd eat. 3) grams upon grams of gear

[Big Beat]

The authors, therefore, propose establishing a reference range for organ weights in men, much like those in use for other laboratory tests including hemoglobin, hematocrit, or glucose. The following reference ranges (95% inclusion) are proposed: brain, 1179-1621 g; liver, 968-1860 g; spleen, 28-226 g; right lung, 155-720 g; left lung, 112-675 g; right kidney, 81-160 g; and left kidney, 83-176 g.

Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983

Weight range of organs for normal men

Heart...................188 to 575 g with an average of 331
Right kidney....... 81-160 g
Left kidney,.........83-176 g
Liver...................968-1860 g
Right lung...........55-720g
Left lung.............112-675 g

Weight of Dallas McCarver Organs from Autopsy

Heart...................833g
Right kidney....... 456 g
Left kidney,.........503 g
Liver...................6593 g
Right lung...........617 g
Left lung.............619 g

Dallas' heart, kidneys and liver where enlarged to 3 to 4 times a normal mans size.

I wonder if this settles the question that the current drug regiments are exploding the size of organs.

Would this in part explain the big guts?


The whole thing is seriously fucked up.

[Fella Finn]

Weight range of organs for normal men

Heart...................188 to 575 g with an average of 331
Right kidney....... 81-160 g
Left kidney,.........83-176 g
Liver...................968-1860 g
Right lung...........55-720g
Left lung.............112-675 g

Weight of Dallas McCarver Organs from Autopsy

Heart...................833g
Right kidney....... 456 g
Left kidney,.........503 g
Liver...................6593 g
Right lung...........617 g
Left lung.............619 g

Dallas' heart, kidneys and liver where enlarged to 3 to 4 times a normal mans size.

I wonder if this settles the question that the current drug regiments are exploding the size of organs.

Would this in part explain the big guts?


The whole thing is seriously fucked up.

I couldn't agree with you more.
I mean...I'm completely lost for words right now. This is absolutely sickening.

Is this whole organ growth thing mainly caused by super high doses of HGH and IGF-1?

[Big Beat]

I couldn't agree with you more.
I mean...I'm completely lost for words right now. This is absolutely sickening.

Is this whole organ growth thing mainly caused by super high doses of HGH and IGF-1?

I don't know but they are taking a lot of everything.

It would be interesting to hear what Dave Palumbo thinks about the size of Dallas' organs.

[Big Beat]

The autopsy shows Dallas had a testosterone level of 550 ng/ml, I don't know if this is a typo but it equates to 55000 ng/dl.

That is an outrageous test level. How much gear do you need to be on to get a test level that high?

[doubleogordo]

The authors, therefore, propose establishing a reference range for organ weights in men, much like those in use for other laboratory tests including hemoglobin, hematocrit, or glucose. The following reference ranges (95% inclusion) are proposed: brain, 1179-1621 g; liver, 968-1860 g; spleen, 28-226 g; right lung, 155-720 g; left lung, 112-675 g; right kidney, 81-160 g; and left kidney, 83-176 g.

Reference: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983

Weight range of organs for normal men

Heart...................188 to 575 g with an average of 331
Right kidney....... 81-160 g
Left kidney,.........83-176 g
Liver...................968-1860 g
Right lung...........55-720g
Left lung.............112-675 g

Weight of Dallas McCarver Organs from Autopsy

Heart...................833g
Right kidney....... 456 g
Left kidney,.........503 g
Liver...................6593 g
Right lung...........617 g
Left lung.............619 g

Dallas' heart, kidneys and liver where enlarged to 3 to 4 times a normal mans size.

I wonder if this settles the question that the current drug regiments are exploding the size of organs.

Would this in part explain the big guts?


The whole thing is seriously fucked up.

bodybuilding had nothing to do with it

[scott.b]

I have to ask this because it is bothering the shit out ofme. Why was Dallas testosterone test done in ng/ml rather than normal ng/dl? For his test to be 55,000 ng/dl he would need to be on like what 12-15grams of test??? I had a blood test on 4 grams of gear (which I did as an experiment for two months; so no different result than 2 grams except more bloat and higher blood pressure) any way my total test was 10000ng/dl. Is it possible the lab just made a typo ml instead of dl? Or does it make sense for a non competing Pro to use 12-15grams of gear?? Would really like to know the truth here, it is driving me nuts

Yeah id like to know more about this as well.

[Big Beat]

Yeah id like to know more about this as well.

I'd like to see Dave do another video more in depth than his initial video review of the autopsy.

I would like to know:

1. Given Dallas' organ's had increased by 3 to 4 times the size of a normal man what caused this and is this a major problem in bodybuilding. Dallas's liver weighed 10lbs !!!!!

2. The autopsy shows his test levels were 55,000 ng/mm. What amount of gear would be required to elevate test to that level.

3. The autopsy states Dallas' test level was 130 times greater than the normal range of testosterone for non steroid using men. Can it be explained if it is possible to elevate test levels this much and again what amount of gear would it take.

4. Is 3-4 times liver and kidney growth something that can happen or is only PED's that can do this.


Dave has the contacts and knowledge to get to the bottom of this. There seems to a lot of silence from prominent people in bodybuilding........in fact the silence is deafening.

The latest rumor doing the rounds is Dallas was on 23 grams of gear a week when he was training with Matt Jensen. This is the kind of nonsense that goes around until somebody uncovers the facts.

The bodybuilding community needs the truth.

[Big Beat]

^^^^^^^^That should read 55000 ng/dl

[Big Beat]

[Big Beat]

bodybuilding had nothing to do with it

Seems that way if you listen to some people.