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    & 500-600 max & also with orals that don't have c17 alkalide w are considered hepatic toxic. U can enjoy the dark side of bodybuilding but remember to use time off cycles not cruise and be sure to stay away from certain orals.

    Oh, & insulin needs to be wayyy lower, plus GH is just a game of Russian rullet. Just a matter of time before you catch that bullet
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    PfA, I hear ya & agree w/ everything you said. All I'm saying is it's possible to steer clear of the worst risks. However, life is risky. You could be killed in a drive-by shooting every time you walk out your door. Or hit by a driver who is impaired. I was nearly hit by such a driver a couple of years ago. The person missed me by inches, & ended up running into a car in the opposite lane one block further down. If you want to minimize risk, don't work out at all, because every workout risks injury. If you don't tend to your health, though, that is also risky. The trick is to find the right balance between the various risks that we face daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    & 500-600 max & also with orals that don't have c17 alkalide w are considered hepatic toxic. U can enjoy the dark side of bodybuilding but remember to use time off cycles not cruise and be sure to stay away from certain orals.

    Oh, & insulin needs to be wayyy lower, plus GH is just a game of Russian rullet. Just a matter of time before you catch that bullet

    I think insulin use is one, if not THE biggest risk in bodybuilding today.

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    Diuretics can also kill you.

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    Agreed on both. Diuretics are a sure fire way to go down. I hate & say this again, HATE to preach this but f it. Here we go.

    So you have a show right around the corner, you're @ an extremely low bf, but there's that 1 tiny film of water that doesn't wanna go. Ever ask why? Hmmm "maybe my body is holding on to its last leg & holding that bit for dear life in response to stress & is fighting to hold on to life & your SNS is fight or flight response is going hay wire?" Aka cortisol is going up to. So what do you do to help your body become more ripped? Add diuretics. Now your kidneys have no glucose for energy to perform it's job (filter the waste) & you add lasix??? Really just a matter of time before going into renal failure. But heyyy c'mon, it's a Mr padonk show & all the kids will say I look great even on IG w a hospital gown & a tube up...

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    But also, getting hit can be prevented & safety from a distance should ALWAYS be your priority not goal. I get your logic but a better point would be a comparison of walking really slow down a busy road at 2 am on a Saturday morning and estimate your chance of getting hit by a drive drunk/sober That would be the best comparison TBH. In my opinion
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    Say no to steroids, say yes to being natty for life

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    I am not advocating anabolic use. I never recommend it. But the reality is, you cannot win in top competition w/out assistance. There are ways of reducing risk, & if you do use, then be safe, sane & sensible. As one friend of mine once said, respect it. As another friend said, do whatever you like whenever you like. The second friend is no longer w/ us.

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    Damn sorry to hear that. I mean let's face it, to play hard gotta go hard, but these toxins are nobody's friend. Pumping more & more is stupid. I mean there is that comparison that I'm hearing "it's like playing football, or baseball, etc" but these guys are really skilled to a tee & really are differently going a different route. Not taking away anything from top bodybuilders because I respect alot till this day because I know it's difficult. I dieted once for 16 weeks straight & trust me, mental and physical exhaustion is unimaginable but the key piece is juicing.

    Like I said I loveee bodybuilding to death, but a spade is a spade. They're using outside substances to an absolute extreme.

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    PfA, I was referring to someone who was using recreationally, not a competitor. He didn't tell his doc, & when his body started failing, they even sent his medical record to the Mayo Clinic & they couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong. His body rebelled. You can die of insult to the body.

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    There's more ''dignity'' in being natty

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    Ohh I see. Gotcha.

    I mean he's no longer available now & my condolences but if you don't make that transfer to being responsible ASAP & learn to grasp the concept that this drug will kill me & it's too late

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    Then that blows, unless he wanted it to be just that way, where whatever happens will be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    Then that blows, unless he wanted it to be just that way, where whatever happens will be
    PfA, you know, it never occurred to me that it might have been a death wish on his part. I'll think about it.

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