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    Default Why does it seem Natural BB for most part have better conditioning?


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    Water weight with any kind of anabolic is a main contributor. Too much science to break down but anytime you add aas it's almost 100%. Cutting agents of aas ex: Winny, EQ, tren,etc. Will attach to receptors. More receptors=more muscle by inhibiting protein synthesis. Meaning youre muscles can use up more protein.

    You'd really need to do a study on steroids and water retention but I can guarantee you 100% if the person on aas controls his diet & lowers sodium while increasing water consumption and eliminated testosterone completely towards the end of his cycle or close to a show, guaranteed steroids user would be more conditioned. That's if they're healthy & all their organs are functioning properly. Remember Test aromatises to estrogen & no e2 doesn't remove all the water. Too much e2 will probably make you retain some water if not make your joints hurt.
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    “Why does it seem Natural BB for most part have better conditioning?”

    Poker: Uh, I think the question is more rhetorical than not.

    A guess!

    If it’s not rhetorical then my question is “Who’s to say who’s natural or not?”

    Fwiw, I don’t care who pins or not. I’m sure there are some people who use AAS and look awesome just as there are some who use and look like garbage. Likewise with natural competitors some look fantastic while others look like absolute garbage. So the important thing for me is the look, condition plus structure plus posing ability… that total package. Not whether they’re natural or not.
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    That's true Curt. But let's not forget, the person with great conditioning can be associated with genetics as well. I knew a guy who ate burgers, pizza, drank like a fish and was ripped. & Knew someone the opposite end of the spectrum & went everywhere with his food, measuring his carbs to a rice grain, but looked decent. Genetics Trump's steroids but my point to clarification on conditioning is "if the guy or lady with great genetics took gear with juice aka aas, they would blow the natural guy out the water who diets and lives the bodybuilding dream 24/7".

    Bottom line: genetics. So genetics & aas would beat the natural competitors, but testosterone can have a factor in it based on aromatization. But who knows I mean even testosterone can help I guess based on their genetic predisposition. But good genetics and no aas use vs terrible genetics and ass use with picture perfect diet, & the natural competitor wins hands down

    Lol if that makes sense

    Bottom line: genetics. So genetics & aas would beat the natural competitors with terrible or mediocre genes, but to my point on gear use, testosterone can have a factor in it based on aromatization. But who knows I mean even testosterone can help I guess based on their genetic predisposition.

    So gear use and decent genetics imo can reign supreme over great genetics/conditioning being natural.

    And this is subjective to personal opinion but again to my point, aas mixed with sup par genetics has better conditioning.
    Like I said Steroids or at least right blends plus a clean diet take your sub par genetics for conditioning & turn it into good conditioning.where if they had Terrible genetics with gear & diet, definitely can't see good condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    So gear use and decent genetics imo can reign supreme over great genetics/conditioning being natural.

    And this is subjective to personal opinion but again to my point, aas mixed with sup par genetics has better conditioning.
    Like I said Steroids or at least right blends plus a clean diet take your sub par genetics for conditioning & turn it into good conditioning.where if they had Terrible genetics with gear & diet, definitely can't see good condition
    Lay off the crack pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Lay off the crack pipe.

    LOL! Mac says what the rest of us have been thinking
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    I have so-so genetics and while I got outsized plenty of times I was never beat when it came to conditioning. And I can guarantee I could still beat the snot out of any gassed up competitor in my class - regardless of age - when it comes to conditioning
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    Mac lol. Sorry just had to really go slower. Plus more details/clarification. I know how slow you guys are. I mean shit, been here since what? 2013??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    Mac lol. Sorry just had to really go slower. Plus more details/clarification. I know how slow you guys are. I mean shit, been here since what? 2013??
    Good to know you can still smoke the crack and read your own Join Date.

    You are correct, it says 2013.

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    Na not crack. Thc. You probably be thinking too much about crack hence y u think it's crack. Damn Mac that's crazy.
    #mac&crack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poker face Ace View Post
    Na not crack. Thc. You probably be thinking too much about crack hence y u think it's crack. Damn Mac that's crazy.
    #mac&crack
    #macbesmokingtoomuch
    #macsobsession24/7
    I will let you slide on the THC as I am not a hypocrite!

    Glad to know you're not all cracked up.

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    Lol id never ever everrrrrrrrr fuck with that & if a friend or family member touched it I'd rip there's gums & tongue. But then they'll end up in the hospital e.r. hooked on some other meds from my hands ripping their face lol.

    TBH even thc is really once in a blue moon. Gimme a ice cold beer & I'm chilllllll lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffsygo View Post
    i'm like that too, my muscles ripple when i work out, it's lack of body fat

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