Interesting Idea for fat burner stack am/pm

**Bacon Boy** · 02-21-2009, 01:11 PM

So as we know Thyroid hormone is key in fat oxidation and myslef not having means of accessing T3, I thought about what I could do to generate more naturally.

Lets start with what we know about Thyroid: It starts as Tyrosine a neurotransmitter, helps with thought processes, tyrosine bonds to iodine to create thyroid hormone.

Tyrosine is easily obtainable, now for the iodine? Turns out kelp is extremely high in iron, one 150mcg tablet has the RDA, so combining the two = Thyroid hormone. Lets takes this even further, guggulipid has also been shown to do the same thing as well, as well as lower LDL, and increase joint mobility, all great things for someone cutting!

Proposed stack: AM

3 reg hydroxycut (decent amount of stim to power cardio)
500 mg tyrosine
150mcg kelp
100mg grape seed
25 guggulipid
81mg asprin

Proposed stack: PM
3 Caffeine Free hydroxycut
500 mg tyrosine
150mcg kelp
100mg grape seed
25 guggulipid
81mg asprin
6mg melatonin
600mg Testofen

Feel free to evaluate and ask q's...

**MikeS** · 02-26-2009, 04:09 PM

why grapeseed? why aspirin? melatonin? I never wake up off that stuff not sure if thats good or not? testofen? I guess the most important Q is - does it work?P!?P!

**Bacon Boy** · 02-26-2009, 07:21 PM

Grapeseed is a potent antioxidant to yank any crap floating around from fat oxidation. Melatonin helps get to sleep has some anabolic properties to it as well! Testofen, or fenugreek extract is an herb proven to elevate GH, and test as well I seem to sleep well while taking it too, I have realized I am loaded up so much stuff its hard to judge, but I am seeing a noticeable difference regarding cardio in the AM, and I like the results I got off it, I would try to fine an extremely cheap source of tyrosine next time!

**tribal** · 02-26-2009, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by MikeS

why grapeseed? why aspirin? melatonin? I never wake up off that stuff not sure if thats good or not? testofen? I guess the most important Q is - does it work?P!?P!

what do you mean you can never wake up?

**MikeS** · 03-03-2009, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by tribal

what do you mean you can never wake up?

Well for example if I take 3mg (the suggested dose), then I just sleep until my body decides to wake up. I dont hear the alarms etc no matter how long I've been asleep. I've taken 3mg and slept for 14 hours straight, woke up and my alarm had been going off for like 3-4 hours already!

I took 1.5mg, and I sometimes sleep well but feel groggy the next day, sometimes I dont sleep very well at all on it.

I've taken GABA and that works well but is a nightmare to get a hold of in the Uk. Zinc&Mag works well for a night or two but the effects diminish quickly. I tried a double dose of zinc on an empty stomach once and got a great nights sleep.

**beau** · 03-03-2009, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bacon Boy

So as we know Thyroid hormone is key in fat oxidation and myslef not having means of accessing T3, I thought about what I could do to generate more naturally.

Lets start with what we know about Thyroid: It starts as Tyrosine a neurotransmitter, helps with thought processes, tyrosine bonds to iodine to create thyroid hormone.

Tyrosine is easily obtainable, now for the iodine? Turns out kelp is extremely high in iron, one 150mcg tablet has the RDA, so combining the two = Thyroid hormone. Lets takes this even further, guggulipid has also been shown to do the same thing as well, as well as lower LDL, and increase joint mobility, all great things for someone cutting!

Proposed stack: AM

3 reg hydroxycut (decent amount of stim to power cardio)
500 mg tyrosine
150mcg kelp
100mg grape seed
25 guggulipid
81mg asprin

Proposed stack: PM
3 Caffeine Free hydroxycut
500 mg tyrosine
150mcg kelp
100mg grape seed
25 guggulipid
81mg asprin
6mg melatonin
600mg Testofen

Feel free to evaluate and ask q's...

hows it working out for you?

**davidyes** · 03-04-2009, 08:11 PM

Bacon Boy,

I think it's great that you are using your knowledge to create an innovative stack. Please remember though that there is a vast difference between the two molecules IRON and IODINE. So you may what to rethink your reasoning behind supplementation with kelp.

**Bacon Boy** · 03-04-2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by davidyes

Bacon Boy,

I think it's great that you are using your knowledge to create an innovative stack. Please remember though that there is a vast difference between the two molecules IRON and IODINE. So you may what to rethink your reasoning behind supplementation with kelp.

The most practical way to achieve supplemental iodine is kelp, tyrosine + iodine = thyroid hormone ...

Thus is why those on thyroid replacement therapy should refrain from kelp supplementation...

**davidyes** · 03-04-2009, 09:47 PM

Yes, I understand where you are coming from, but as your first post states, "Kelp is extremely high in IRON" - not IODINE.

**beau** · 03-05-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bacon Boy

The most practical way to achieve supplemental iodine is kelp, tyrosine + iodine = thyroid hormone ...

Thus is why those on thyroid replacement therapy should refrain from kelp supplementation...

I ask again how is this stack working for you...

**TaylorB** · 03-05-2009, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by MikeS

Well for example if I take 3mg (the suggested dose), then I just sleep until my body decides to wake up. I dont hear the alarms etc no matter how long I've been asleep. I've taken 3mg and slept for 14 hours straight, woke up and my alarm had been going off for like 3-4 hours already!

I took 1.5mg, and I sometimes sleep well but feel groggy the next day, sometimes I dont sleep very well at all on it.

I've taken GABA and that works well but is a nightmare to get a hold of in the Uk. Zinc&Mag works well for a night or two but the effects diminish quickly. I tried a double dose of zinc on an empty stomach once and got a great nights sleep.

On Melatonin =

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/melatonin-1017.html

"According to our research, the physiological dose of melatonin of about 0.3 milligrams restores sleep in adults over the age of 50," said Wurtman, lead investigator in the study. "The adults who would normally wake up during the second and third thirds of the night were able to sleep through the night with the 0.3 milligram dosage."

"The researchers also discovered that the typical health food store dosage of melatonin, which is about three milligrams (or 10 times the dosage in the study), is less effective in treating insomnia. In addition, the higher dosage can cause potentially serious side effects, including hypothermia (low body temperature). The study also showed that the higher dosage elevated plasma melatonin levels during the day, which can cause a "hangover" effect in some of the subjects"

**Bacon Boy** · 03-06-2009, 07:40 AM

Its working really well at keeping h20 retention down. it does make me feel real goffy during fasted AM cardio...

**MikeS** · 04-18-2009, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by TaylorB

On Melatonin =

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/melatonin-1017.html

"According to our research, the physiological dose of melatonin of about 0.3 milligrams restores sleep in adults over the age of 50," said Wurtman, lead investigator in the study. "The adults who would normally wake up during the second and third thirds of the night were able to sleep through the night with the 0.3 milligram dosage."

"The researchers also discovered that the typical health food store dosage of melatonin, which is about three milligrams (or 10 times the dosage in the study), is less effective in treating insomnia. In addition, the higher dosage can cause potentially serious side effects, including hypothermia (low body temperature). The study also showed that the higher dosage elevated plasma melatonin levels during the day, which can cause a "hangover" effect in some of the subjects"

Interesting. Thanks for the taking the time to post that. I still have alot of the ON melatonin 3mg tabs...think I'll try splitting each tab into 4, then splitting those into halves which should give me 0.3-0.4mg...will try this tonight thanks again.

**natron** · 11-17-2009, 01:06 AM

add selenium...

try taking your temperature every morning and see what it's at. Just be sure to take it first thing in the am upon wakening, try not to move much, keep track of your temperature and you can get a decent idea whether or not it is increasing t-3.

By the way Iodine+tyrosine does not necessarily= thyroid hormoneS (there are a few)

My educated guess, this is not working.

**Bacon Boy** · 11-17-2009, 08:16 AM

It actually did net fairly good results,but you get tired of opening a dozen bottles, I think it worked a little bit better than Lipo 6 black did, but it was 3 pills instead of a half dozen, had I taken 4 lipo 6 black I think it would have then been better!

It works well, and was convenient when I had all this stuff just laying around...