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08-31-2009, 10:31 PM #1
Does Usnic Acid cause liver problems
I found this thread on another forum: This girl, had liver failure due to Lipolyze and Somalyze (Usnic Acid)
[ame="http://www.siouxcountry.com/showthread.php?t=8884"]Usnic Acid / Liver Failure - Siouxcountry.com[/ame]Last edited by Big J1; 09-01-2009 at 09:15 PM. Reason: replaced link
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08-31-2009, 11:05 PM #2
Wow... Never tried any of these before, but the title sorta stood out. Kinda makes me scared to try any new supplements now / even sorta scared to keep using what I already have...
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08-31-2009, 11:12 PM #3
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I call total bullshit.
"Just got out of the hospital cause I had a liver transplant?" lol Sorry, but you have to go through weeks of dialysis before they even go to the extreme of a transplant - and even then you're on a waiting list for how long?
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08-31-2009, 11:16 PM #4
Yeah, I also don't see how you can be almost 100% sure that the UA caused liver failure. If things like this were that certain, the whole supplement industry wouldn't even exist...
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08-31-2009, 11:19 PM #5
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08-31-2009, 11:25 PM #6
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08-31-2009, 11:27 PM #7
Actually i'm waiting for my Somalyze to kick in - Bed time
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08-31-2009, 11:35 PM #8
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09-01-2009, 02:25 AM #9
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09-01-2009, 02:48 AM #10
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lol @ Big J1's response.
Paula,
please pass that along also if you would like to perpetuate a load of bullshit.
MashkaNY is known to Species Nutrition as a plant for this type of nonsense. It pops up every once in a while. I call "her" out and challenge "her" to prove that she had these problems and that they were caused by Lipolyze and Somalyze. We will not see hospital records nor anything else from "her". If there was anything to this, Species would have heard something legally from "her" a long time ago...Show yourself MashkaNY....come out from behind your avatar and let your story be verified. There may be another agenda here that our friends at Sioux Country should be aware of...
Sioux is wishing "her" good health, when he has no idea if "she" ever had this situation or if "she" is as I state, a total fraud.
Usnic had issues 8 and 9 years ago in massive quantities and in products without anti-oxidants to control the free radical release..The current doses of Usnic in Lipolyze and Somalyze are relatively miniscule and controlled by anti-oxidants...Other than the spew from the first poster the only other relevant discussion here is from Rip It Up Baby (Lori Steele) who complains of stomach problems.This is occasionally possible if not taken with a food meal but news to me in this case...Lori, even though banned from some other boards, has an open line to me and has used it several times for several reasons...However, this is the first time I have heard this "story". KP (Kenyatta Parham), you know better than to rah-rah this crud. Chicky, I am sorry for your mental problems after taking VPX meltdown but you should be totally sure thats where they originated before declaring yourself well..
One article from 8 years ago, that keeps being dug up from google when Usnic Acid is looked up, on a product long banned for decent reasons is not facts...The issues with HydroxyCut and now with Alli are interesting in their Mass Market applications with Millions of doses used and 10-15 issues in our litigious society...Lets be smarter as a community here....The caffeine you all ingest in your coffee and your stimulant based fat burners will blow out your internal organs far faster..not to mention those of you who are ingesting unmentionables..
Further data is available on speciesnutrition.com and rxmuscle.com on this subject.
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09-01-2009, 03:16 AM #11
This kind of posting on forums is realy pissing me off!!!
No proof at all, just drop a freaky statement:
"oh btw, i fucked up my liver, got a transplant overnight and now my life is over ... all due to those bad supps i took"
Are you sure you messed it up by "only" taking lipo- and somalyze?
I took those species supplements for over 1 year (maximum dose as mentioned on the container for 1 year without interuption) and didn't get any liver problem. I get a bloodwork done every 6-8 weeks.
Get a life girlwww.speciesnutrition.com
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09-01-2009, 06:47 AM #12
It sounds like she already had a liver problem. I believe the liver is actually alot tougher than people give it credit and there's no way this supplement used for such a short time would do so much damage that she would need a transplant.
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09-01-2009, 11:46 AM #13
I posted this at SC also but Usnea is commonly used externally and internally in herbal medicine. It's classified as an immune stimulant and used for fungal, urinary, & respiratory infections. It's definitely interesting stuff what she reports but HAS to be person specific, or like TBooty says, she already had a problem. It varies by person how toxic something is or whether it is, just like half the stuff the FDA approves. (don't get me started on that...)
In dealing with all the poo pooing that comes from people over the use and safety of herbals (one of my pet peeves) one of my favorite comebacks is: "It's also been proven that human saliva, swallowed even in small amounts over an extended period of time, eventually leads to death."
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09-01-2009, 11:52 AM #14
story seems totally implausible
she claims only took a few and was taking during july and aug for a show in sept and all of a sudden needs and GETS a new liver and is up and about to post about it
geez if gonna make up a bullshit story at least saying you were taking it for a length of time, became sick, were sick for sometime then needed liver at least something somewhat realistic timeframe
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09-01-2009, 03:50 PM #15
wow what bullshit... i use both products and have never been sick...
some people have too much time on their hands and are F'ing crazy,,, maybe they should get off the computer and actually go to the gym or something.. WTF!
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