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Thread: Ms. Olympia as I see it....
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10-03-2009, 10:08 AM #331
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Just an observation.You notice how we men are the most judgemental when it comes to critiquing woman's looks even though some of us have faces that can scare some wild animals?A lot of women don't find male bodybuilders attractive.I hate that word "ugly".
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10-03-2009, 10:11 AM #332
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10-03-2009, 10:15 AM #333
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10-03-2009, 10:22 AM #334
Let me throw something out to you guys for your thoughts.
When we get into these discussions and arguments about FBB...are we "mixing and confusing" two separate arguments?
It seems that on the one hand, there is the right to get as big and ripped as one personally desires. That's one argument.
The other has to do with the image, adequate sponsorship and continued viability of a sport.
While the two are interrelated, they are separate arguments.
We should also realize that there are other Sports stuggling with the same "image" issues; and have reached a point where THEIR viability is being seriously questioned:
Women's Pro Basketball
The LPGA
Professional Wrestling (mostly because of the onslaught of MMA)
While we all may grow weary with discussing these issues, you can rest assured that the Promotors and Federations are discussing them when they decide to include FBB in a contest.
Thoughts?
Mufasa
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10-03-2009, 10:26 AM #335
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10-03-2009, 10:31 AM #336
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10-03-2009, 10:34 AM #337
Yikes. I hate coming into a thread super late into the game.
All I'll say is that the sporting business model here for the pro women is broken and I think it's a common problem when you're facing the issue of whether to praise marketability or sports progression. Especially in a subjective sport like bodybuilding.
That's the problem I think all non-profit sporting organizations (assuming the IFBB is non-profit) face and it's a very difficult balance. But I wouldn't just look at the drug issue, I would look at everything including business channels, marketing channels. Heck, I don't think I've even heard of any fund-raising events promoted by the IFBB.
If the Ms. Olympia was owned by a for-profit organization that focuses on marketability than progressive sport, Iris Kyle as she looks today will not be your Ms. Olympia and dare I say your top 6 will be a whole lot different.
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10-03-2009, 10:37 AM #338
Tre, you know I wuv you but I think you really want me to come home and do some really bad things to you. I did not attack her in any way. She came at me. You need to go back and read the original posts. First she told me to shut up. I responded. Then I told her she had a pro card because people like me, (which she totally misread) speak out about unfairness. From there it became I'm jealous of her. She has yet to see me in attack mode.
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10-03-2009, 10:41 AM #339
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10-03-2009, 10:42 AM #340We should also realize that there are other Sports stuggling with the same "image" issues; and have reached a point where THEIR viability is being seriously questioned:
Women's Pro Basketball
The LPGA
Professional Wrestling (mostly because of the onslaught of MMA)
While we all may grow weary with discussing these issues, you can rest assured that the Promotors and Federations are discussing them when they decide to include FBB in a contest.
Thoughts?
Amateur basketball matches don't have promotors maybe a couple of friendly local sponsors though. Amature golf matches again no promotor. Amature Bodybuilding needs a promotor to hold a comp and therefore has to make a profit. Amateur bodybuilding has a slew of sponsors to help make a profit. Why is this? Why is Bodybuilding the niche sport that even at the lowest levels is all about viability and profit.
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10-03-2009, 10:53 AM #341
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10-03-2009, 11:28 AM #342
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My thoughts:
Everyone has the right to get as big and ripped as one desires. No one is stopping anyone from doing that. That does not mean that is the look a federation should be rewarding up onstage. And Federations have every right to limit their athletes through judging. The IFBB is currently and has currently place constraints on their figure athletes. The judges have CHANGED the look through their judging. Figure of today is a new look and not the same as figure of the past. It could be accomplished in short order (over a few years) in FBBing but it would take consistant judging to accomplish it. The IFBB does not seem interested in changing the direction of FBB.
There is absolutely nothing sexist or wrong with an organization saying they want their females athletes to maintain a certain look or have some limits placed on them. It is the reality of business. I'd consider it resposible management practice. I personally feel the two arguements/issues should be delt with hand in hand. In the end however, it all comes back to judging. I do not blame the athletes at all for taking the sport to the extreme. That is the winning look and until that changes, noting will change. Athletes want to win and will do whatever it takes in any sport to acheive their goals.
however....
With all that said, judging certainly is much easier and straight forward when you let the sport go to the extreme. Iris has been and still is the standard. She is the best, period, and I don't think anyone can argue that. If the judges do place upper limits on the females, FBBing judging then becomes as subjective as figure..... err..... crap .... NEVERMIND, PLEASE DISREGARD EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD, LONG LIVE IRIS KYLE!!!!
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10-03-2009, 11:28 AM #343
I did indicate that it's the Pro Level of the respective sports.
(If I'm not mistaken, the WNBA has actually cut teams since it's inception?)
Mufasa
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10-03-2009, 11:52 AM #344
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All squabbling aside....
I do understand what your saying Carolyn, and I do agree with some it....(yes i admit it) but it is what it is, and cant see it going smaller like your suggest. Being a little girl myself, I would love to think Id be competitive as a pro, but I am just happy to have made it this far and share the stage with the best in the world. Maybe this would fall on better ears if it came from someone with a respected name in the IFBB. The problem, as I see it is your delivery. It is very condesending at times and down right arrogant. Maybe what you have to say would be much better recieved if you didnt appear to think you were superior to your peers.
and that is all i have to say about that.Last edited by tammyp; 10-03-2009 at 12:02 PM.
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10-03-2009, 12:05 PM #345
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Carolyn it doesn't matter!!!!!!!!Now I can understand why some feel you're beating the same old dead horse.This is still too muscular for most people in the mainstream.No it wont make the sport any more popular.No it wont!A member of this community in his thread said he considered you too manly looking and he's a body builder.Female body building is and WILL ALWAYS be a niche within a niche if I can quote Denise Masino.Its a waste of time trying to make it more marketable to the main stream.There will always be a negative stigma attached to women's body building.Accept it and just enjoy the sport as it is!Theres nothing anyone can do about it!
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