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    OK, usually I have some type of soreness the next day after a workout, nothing too intense, but enough to know I hit the muscle.

    My question is if I am not sore the next day, does that mean that I did not hit the muscle hard enough to cause any micro tears, hence no growth?

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    You don't necessarily NEED to be sore to grow. How have your workouts been over the past few weeks/months? How often are you training?

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    How long have you been doing this routine? How regular is your diet? Any extra stress or workload in your life?

    These are the biggest three things for MYSELF that determine how sore (if any) I'll be.

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    Anytime I have a good enough workout (that I feel at the time) I am always at least somewhat sore the next days...

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    I have been training for years, I am 35 and been training heavily on and off since I was 14. I was a pretty competitive bb in the mid 90's, took several years off before getting back into it pretty seriously last year with hopes of competing again.

    This time around I am much more interested in the science and physiology of bb and muscle growth.

    My diet is a variation of the Palumbo cutting diet. I train using a 5 day split, I try to hit the muscle as heavy and hard as I can without sacrificing form.

    I would say that 90% of my workouts I feel the next day, the feel ranging from a deep tissue sore to, yeah, I know I worked the muscle yesterday but if I had to I could hit it again today. It is rare when I don't feel it at all, but it does happen on occasion.

    I know that muscle grows from creating tiny muscle tears and being filled in by aminos in the blood stream.

    I guess ultimately my question comes down to this, if you create those tiny muscle tears, are you sore from it the next day? Or can you still create those tears that enable growth, and not feel it the next day?

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    No Pain...No Gain...DOMS are killing me now while on the first 14 days of my transformation...but to answer your Q...you know you will grow if you're sore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTransformator View Post
    No Pain...No Gain...DOMS are killing me now while on the first 14 days of my transformation...but to answer your Q...you know you will grow if you're sore...
    That doesn't answer the question at all, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strikerrjones View Post
    That doesn't answer the question at all, actually.

    Nope, it does not.

    The thing I find interesting is that my pump and workout does not always indicate my level of soreness the next day.

    For example there are days when I really feel like I killed my workout, unreal pumps that last a LONG time after, deep muscle burns, and the next day no soreness whatsoever.

    Then some days I feel like I might not have hit the muscle hard enough, and the next day I feel like the muscle is annihilated.

    Then of course there are many degrees in between.

    Just curious on what the general consensus is on next day soreness as an indicator of having created the required micro tears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfinishedBusiness View Post
    OK, usually I have some type of soreness the next day after a workout, nothing too intense, but enough to know I hit the muscle.

    My question is if I am not sore the next day, does that mean that I did not hit the muscle hard enough to cause any micro tears, hence no growth?

    doms is a symptom of muscle damage.

    however, the lack of doms does not mean microtears did not occcur.

    thus, muscle growth could still occur.
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    [quote=UnfinishedBusiness;564255]I have been training for years, I am 35 and been training heavily on and off since I was 14. I was a pretty competitive bb in the mid 90's, took several years off before getting back into it pretty seriously last year with hopes of competing again.

    This time around I am much more interested in the science and physiology of bb and muscle growth.

    My diet is a variation of the Palumbo cutting diet. I train using a 5 day split, I try to hit the muscle as heavy and hard as I can without sacrificing form.

    I would say that 90% of my workouts I feel the next day, the feel ranging from a deep tissue sore to, yeah, I know I worked the muscle yesterday but if I had to I could hit it again today. It is rare when I don't feel it at all, but it does happen on occasion.

    I know that muscle grows from creating tiny muscle tears and being filled in by aminos in the blood stream.

    I guess ultimately my question comes down to this, if you create those tiny muscle tears, are you sore from it the next day? Or can you still create those tears that enable growth, and not feel it the next day?[/quote]


    you may be sore or you may not. do not use doms as a reliable indicator of micro tears or growth. do not use it as an dependent indicator of "good" workouts.

    muscle hypertrophy still occurs without doms.

    doms is a symptom of muscle damage. but, the extent of doms is dependent on multiple variables including training, nutrition, supplementation or drugs.

    the logic of "sick" doms as being good for you and indicating growth is invalid. you might have doms and causing the lack of growth of your muscles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTransformator View Post
    No Pain...No Gain...DOMS are killing me now while on the first 14 days of my transformation...but to answer your Q...you know you will grow if you're sore...

    actually, you dont know that you will grow.

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    Being sore the next day is not an accurate way of measuring the effectiveness of your workout. I myself don't get sore shoulders no matter what I do, however I have learned that if I overdo my shoulders with volume/intensity/weight they tell me in their way that they're fucked by the "click" that I will get by the next day.

    Measure the effectiveness of your workout by keeping a log of workouts ie personal bests in weight lifted/reps used for a weight. When the parameters that your measuring stall- which they will, mix up the workout by changing order of exercises/or split, using different techniques ie pre-exhauset, giant sets, rest/pause.

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    I train HIT and say i train chest monday im usually sore tueday and sometimes more sore or less sore wednesday,
    but what about legs? im usually the most sore 2 days after training? is this bad?
    I train heavy and hard to failure and beyond, i have a spot on diet and rest routine as well.
    How would i know if im doing more harm then good?
    Not on a Keto diet

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    Quote Originally Posted by a2thej2008 View Post
    I train HIT and say i train chest monday im usually sore tueday and sometimes more sore or less sore wednesday,
    but what about legs? im usually the most sore 2 days after training? is this bad?
    I train heavy and hard to failure and beyond, i have a spot on diet and rest routine as well.
    How would i know if im doing more harm then good?
    Are you pushing past previous bests? Growing? Feeling ready for the next workout? Energy levels up?

    Being sore after a tough workout aint a bad thing..all I'm saying it shouldn't be the way anyone judges the quality of the workout.

    If your not recovered by the time your training the bodypart, feel lethargic or ill..they're indicators that it would be potentially damaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePhysicalTherapist View Post
    doms is a symptom of muscle damage.

    however, the lack of doms does not mean microtears did not occcur.

    thus, muscle growth could still occur.
    Great info! Thanks!

    Next logical question would be, is there a reliable indicator that microtears are occurring during your workout?

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