Second Cycle Suggestions.

[peopleschamp11]

A little before my 20th birthday, I began my very first cycle. I ran Test e @ 500mg/week pinning on monday and thursdays for 14 weeks. Gained tons of strength and significant size. My PCT was simply Nolva at 40,40,20,20. Some of the size was lost after contracting a viral infection during the last week of the cyle, but I kept most of it.

I plan on running a second bulking cycle before competing this summer. I want to start December 1st, which is about 3 months since my last shot. I am debating on what to run...

Most people say, given my age, to keep it simple. I decided to list a few of my options.

1. Increase the test. Run Test E only again, but up the dosage to 750mg.

2. Add D-bol. Keep the Test E at 500mg, and simply add D-bol for weeks 1-4.

3. Test E, D-bol, AND Deca.

Thoughts? Also, I'm sure there are some of you that don't agree with a 20 year old doing his second cycle. I understand my age and the consequences of my actions so please refrain from commenting on this matter.

Edit - For those wondering, I am still natural in my avatar.

[heavyiron]

#1 more test, and do a proper PCT this time.

[peopleschamp11]

#1 more test, and do a proper PCT this time.

On another site, everyone said Nolva was what I should do. I know Dave itsn't a fan of Nolva (hinders IFG-1, etc). Everyone here seems to be against it.

What would you suggest?

[peopleschamp11]

bump

[heavyiron]

On another site, everyone said Nolva was what I should do. I know Dave itsn't a fan of Nolva (hinders IFG-1, etc). Everyone here seems to be against it.

What would you suggest?

An AI like Aromasin, HCG and Clomid work very well for PCT.

[peopleschamp11]

An AI like Aromasin, HCG and Clomid work very well for PCT.

So you think simply bump up the test to 750g/week?

Thanks again.

[heavyiron]

So you think simply bump up the test to 750g/week?

Thanks again.

Yup, I frequently recommend going 200-250mg higher than the last time so that is exactly what I would advise.

[Colossal]

I know this will fall on deaf ears but at 20 years old you have no business messing with your endocrine system. You don't need it. You can make solid--albeit slower--gains training naturally. I think a good rule of thumb is 6-8 years of dedicated natural training and a minimum age of 25 before considering a cycle.

Now you will always use gear and you'll never know what you could have achieved naturally. You looked like you were progressing just fine in your avatar.

[rw0885]

if you had a few years of aas experience under your belt then i could see going with a higher test dosage. i know guys that have over 3 years of aas use and they are still doing 500 mgs/week. adding in d-bol is gonna swell you up with water, not much of the size you put on will stay when you come off, but you will gain serious strength. deca and test stack really well together, the gains are a little slower, but easier to maintain. i would suggest test e 500 mgs/week and deca at 400-600 mgs/week. run that for about 12-14 weeks and see what you think. i really wouldnt advice raising your test dose...your body will build up a tolerance to it. as for pct, i use clomid and nolvadex all the time...alot of people dont like it, but it works for me. 150 mgs/day of clomid the first week, then 50 mgs/day for the second week. and i run nolva at 20-30 mgs/ed as soon as my gyno starts to get pissed

[obx4jeep]

listen man wen i was 20.5 yrs old i did my first cycle. i went from 195 to 233 in 8 weeks from doing test at 500mg/wk. So i thought well if i gained that much off the first cycle why not just do it again? I did it my next cycle for 10 weeks and got up to 248. If something works why take more? No need to be doing 750mg so soon. Hint Hint if it aint broke dont fix it

[s2h]

sorry heavy but i gotta go with Colossal,20 years old your a loaded test machine,it's like puttin bullets in a loaded gun.if you do choose to keep goin the AAS route you better have some femera/arimidix handy incase things get a little out of hand.at 750mg a week your askn for some gyno at 20 years old,and thats from 1st hand experience!!

[ANADROLicfreak]

yes 20 is too young but people are going to do what they want.better to give them your opinion.if you are going to keep using gear though do what heavy said just raise the test a little.

[bigcountry86]

20 years is to young but since you already started just bump ur test a lil. heavy iron and afreak know there shit.

[heavyiron]

sorry heavy but i gotta go with Colossal,20 years old your a loaded test machine,it's like puttin bullets in a loaded gun.if you do choose to keep goin the AAS route you better have some femera/arimidix handy incase things get a little out of hand.at 750mg a week your askn for some gyno at 20 years old,and thats from 1st hand experience!!

I hear you and I do appreciate your viewpoint but when I was his age I did massive amounts of test with zero ancillaries or PCT so I have been in his shoes. But everyone does respond a little differently to higher doses so your advice of using an AI is very smart.

[peopleschamp11]

I agree with you guys that 20 is very young. That being said, I have done my research, weighed the pros and cons, have ran a PCT (albeit not necessarily what some would recommend), got bloodwork done both before and after, and have experienced no sides.

To be honest, I don't plan on continuing to cycle every 8-10 weeks. I simply want one more through my winter bulk before I begin to cut for contest season in the spring.

And, I understand that the above it probably what everyone says and then they become "addicted" and one cycle leads to another. lol.

I appreciate everyone's concerns though.

I think sometimes we need to look past age and look at body maturity too. Also, everyone reacts different. I mean, I know people that have been running about 3 cycles a year since high school without any PCT's until their mid 20's. They are now 50+ years old and healthy.