Best Hrt Protocol?

[magnus68]

I'll try again. What is the best Hrt Protocol that would also illicit good gains over the long haul?

[RazorRipped]

I'll try again. What is the best Hrt Protocol that would also illicit good gains over the long haul?

Try again? Did you have another thread that went unanswered?


HRT ISN'T about making muscular gains. It's about retaining muscle tissue.


IF you went over the doctor prescribed 200 mgs weekly, to say 350 mgs weekly. You will make gradual gains over time as long as you are eating to support growth. Training for growth as well.

You aren't growing on 200 mgs weekly. It has been clinically proven 350 mg is the lowest you can grow on.



~RR

[Stavman]

Shouldn't your doctor tell you this?

[Jack of All]

Shouldn't your doctor tell you this?

1. Most Dr's dont tell you squat about HRT

2. Most Dr's dont know squat about HRT

All of the best info I have learned about HRT has not been from my Dr but from forums.

[gman]

Dr's want you to be in the physiological normal range, not concerned about growing.

So if you are at 500-600, they are happy

[magnus68]

RR would 350mg for Hrt for life do damage

[magnus68]

Wait, that sounds stupid... I mean if I am still looking for muscle gain and take 300 350 a week over a period of time until Im happy then go back down to 2 or 250. would that be better?

[RazorRipped]

Wait, that sounds stupid... I mean if I am still looking for muscle gain and take 300 350 a week over a period of time until Im happy then go back down to 2 or 250. would that be better?

Realistically, you'll need to cycle your drugs in order to get decent growth. Sure you can stay on 350 mgs and make progress, but it's a very slow boat to china.

You might want to consider bumping your HRT dose to 600 mgs for around 12 weeks. Eat and train for growth, then drop down to 200-250 mgs for around 3 months, and keep repeating this process til you achieve the look you're after.


~RR

[LittleChris]

hey razor ripped.

sorry bro, i have to disagree with ya. im on 200 mg of test a week and i am consistently making gains in size and strenght. you are correct, you also maintain muscle, especially when dieting. But at 200 mgs of cyp a week i am growing and getting bigger. i would calculate that i am gaining about 10 lbs per year. obviously i cant do that indefinetly, but i do see myself at around 250 lbs in about 2 years, and then being able to maintain that. im 6 foot tall, 36 inch waist in pants. currently 230 lbs with abdominals.

-LC

[magnus68]

Little Chris, how old are you and what is your regimin

[Sledge]

A doc will give you 250 every 2-4 weeks or less sometimes. I run 250 a week year round and it keeps me well above the fitness and muscularity levels of the 20-30 year olds I train for work. I'm 43.

[LittleChris]

hi,

magnus: hey bro, im on 200 mgs of cyp every 7 days. 500 iu's of hcg every 4 days. and 1 mg of anasrazole every other day. the doc prescribed me 300 mg per week, but im happy at 200 mgs.

-LC

[RazorRipped]

hey razor ripped.

sorry bro, i have to disagree with ya. im on 200 mg of test a week and i am consistently making gains in size and strenght. you are correct, you also maintain muscle, especially when dieting. But at 200 mgs of cyp a week i am growing and getting bigger. i would calculate that i am gaining about 10 lbs per year. obviously i cant do that indefinetly, but i do see myself at around 250 lbs in about 2 years, and then being able to maintain that. im 6 foot tall, 36 inch waist in pants. currently 230 lbs with abdominals.

-LC

Come on man. 10 pounds a year on 200 mg test when it's clinically proven you need 350 mg test for growth. Sorry my friend, but I'm not buying your story.
If that was the case EVERYONE would be running 200 mg of test and growing like a weed. I'm guessing you must be confusing scale weight for actual tissue growth. That's common with inexperienced people though.

Do you realize how hard it is to put on 10 pounds EVERY year? You trying to tell everyone you'll put on 40 pounds of muscle tissue in 4 yrs on 200 mgs of test? Genetic freaks can't accomplish that in 4 yrs...lol..


36 inches waist with clear abdominal? Can you please post a picture to show us?

[LittleChris]

hey razor,
like i said, i cant gain 10 lbs per year indefinetly, its impossible. but i do see myself getting to about 250 lbs and maintaining it. yes, even at 200 mgs of testosterone per week. keep in mind i am 6 foot tall, so 250 lbs on my frame is different than the average bodybuilders frame who is anywhere between 5 foot 6 inches and 5 foot 8 inches.
Why wouldnt 200 mgs of testsoterone per week allow one to build muscle? my levels are around 1100 4 days after my shot. this is in the HIGH range. is this not enough to maintain positive nitrogen balance? I recover VERY VERY FAST as well. this allows me to get in more training sessions per week, thus enabeling me to get double the results that say a natural would get because im able to do 6 months worth of training in 3 months, compared to the natural athlete, for example.
I dont know why there is a set number, or minimum on how much test one needs in order to grow. says who? So you are saying one needs 300 mg per week to grow? that makes no sense, im sorry. so basiclly, if i did 40 mg of propionate per day, i would not grow from that? that comes out to 280 mg of test per week.
Keep in mind that i DO NOT miss workouts and i eat clean and am consistently consuming protein and the right ratio of carbs throughout the day. My training is also very sound, based on heavy weight, 2 minute rest between sets, and high volume. i train 1.5 hours per day 5 days a week, and do around 30 minutes of cardio on my days "off" along with one muscle group like calves, hamstrings, or forearms. All on 200 mg test per week, and NO i am not a genetic freak, in fact my genetics are not all that great to be honest.
as far as my abs and waist size. i wear size 36 pants ( remember i am 6 foot tall), what is wrong with that ? is my pant waist size supposed to be the same size as my actual waist? if that was the case, my pants would be skin tight and i would not be able to walk in them, and worse, it would look ridiculous. i wear waist size 36 and have room to be able to tuck a shirt in if needed and have some room around my waist to be comfortable. i dont wear skin tight pants. as far as my abs. yes i can see my abs, and a little vascularity on them, no big deal. am i contest ready? NO. i figure im about 20 lbs away though, if i were to compete. as far as pics. thats a good idea. ill post a few up in a couple of weeks.

-LC

[Jack of All]

I believe it has been proven that you can grow on smaller amounts of test. Would you continue to grow forever? No. I am sure you also have to take into account AAS experience and ones begining level of fitness. But according to this study: "Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001)."

So the guys on 125mg a week gained 7.48lbs in 20 weeks.
the guys on 300mg gained 10.4 lbs in 20 weeks
The guys on 600mg gained 17.38lbs in 20 weeks

This is lean mass not counting fat mass. Read the whole study here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...,f1000m,isrctn