# Cycles in a year

**nitrous** · 12-07-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

3 months off is pretty good man. If you are worried just run HCG through your entire cycle. I take HCG every week to keep the boys running.

Labs would be cool though because then you would know for sure.

if HCG was ran throughout the cycle lets just say it was test prop you are running you would run the same 500iu HCG 1 week past the test but after that just drop it all together? dont up the dosage for pct cuz they should already be full? and then just continue with clomid and aromasin or what would you do for pct if you ran HCG throughout the cycle?

**NPCKnight** · 12-07-2009, 05:13 PM

RR got banned from here...

And what is this 'half shut down'?
Youre either shut down or youre not IMO.

**heavyiron** · 12-07-2009, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by nitrous

if HCG was ran throughout the cycle lets just say it was test prop you are running you would run the same 500iu HCG 1 week past the test but after that just drop it all together? dont up the dosage for pct cuz they should already be full? and then just continue with clomid and aromasin or what would you do for pct if you ran HCG throughout the cycle?

I use 1,000iu HCG eod for about 2 weeks while the ester is clearing when I use 500iu HCG twice weekly on cycle. I always run an AI on cycle and post. This would be with Cyp or Enanthate.

If you are using Prop I would start the higher dose of HCG about 10 days before stopping the aas. Basically you want to finish with the HCG about the time the aas has hit baseline but if you are off a few days no biggie.

**nitrous** · 12-07-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by NPCKnight

RR got banned from here...

And what is this 'half shut down'?
Youre either shut down or youre not IMO.

in my opinion you can be partially shutdown and really shutdown... and what was he banned for???

**nitrous** · 12-07-2009, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I use 1,000iu HCG eod for about 2 weeks while the ester is clearing when I use 500iu HCG twice weekly on cycle. I always run an AI on cycle and post. This would be with Cyp or Enanthate.

If you are using Prop I would start the higher dose of HCG about 10 days before stopping the aas. Basically you want to finish with the HCG about the time the aas has hit baseline but if you are off a few days no biggie.

so if i am running HCG on cycle still bump it up a bit post cycle.. sounds good..

and i've never ran an AI on cycle just post as i've never experienced any gyno while on.. but never ran any high dosages..

for an AI on cycle do you still run aromasin or is there an advantage to going with arimidex?

**heavyiron** · 12-07-2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by nitrous

so if i am running HCG on cycle still bump it up a bit post cycle.. sounds good..

and i've never ran an AI on cycle just post as i've never experienced any gyno while on.. but never ran any high dosages..

for an AI on cycle do you still run aromasin or is there an advantage to going with arimidex?

I like both Aromasin or Arimidex. If you are not gyno prone just run a low dose of either. Arimidex will detach from the aromatase enzyme once administration is discontinued so some guys do prefer Aromasin as it permanentally deactivates the enzyme.

**nitrous** · 12-07-2009, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I like both Aromasin or Arimidex. If you are not gyno prone just run a low dose of either. Arimidex will detach from the aromatase enzyme once administration is discontinued so some guys do prefer Aromasin as it permanentally deactivates the enzyme.

thanks bro

**SuperSnake** · 12-07-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by nitrous

in my opinion you can be partially shutdown and really shutdown... and what was he banned for???

...or better yet, "declining" may be the better term to use. Or on your way to shutting down.

Your nutz can be at half production of natural test can they not?

Or do they just shut down immediately upon test usage or some other derivative?

**NPCKnight** · 12-07-2009, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by nitrous

in my opinion you can be partially shutdown and really shutdown... and what was he banned for???

he went absolutely ape shit and made some threats to members about ruining their personal/professional lives by revealing who they are or notifying their workplaces...some ridiculous bullshit.

i guess we are split on the TERMINOLOGY here. I dont believe in partially shut down...I think that is flat out wrong. You are either shut down or not, but I DO BELIEVE you can be severely shut down as opposed to 'just' shut down.
To think you are injecting exogenous hormones...shutting down your HPTA and are only 'partially shutdown' is wrong.

**Fluid Karma** · 12-07-2009, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I use 1,000iu HCG eod for about 2 weeks while the ester is clearing when I use 500iu HCG twice weekly on cycle. I always run an AI on cycle and post. This would be with Cyp or Enanthate.

If you are using Prop I would start the higher dose of HCG about 10 days before stopping the aas. Basically you want to finish with the HCG about the time the aas has hit baseline but if you are off a few days no biggie.

I've been meaning to ask this.

You still run full pct even though your on HRT. And if so do you cruise after or do you use the PCT pro for when you just want to be completely off?

**heavyiron** · 12-07-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Manbeef

I've been meaning to ask this.

You still run full pct even though your on HRT. And if so do you cruise after or do you use the PCT pro for when you just want to be completely off?

I just came off a 7 week cruise on 20% Test cream, HCG and Adex so no PCT was needed. First pin was Saturday.

If I come all the way off I have to do PCT at my age.

**Fluid Karma** · 12-07-2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I just came off a 7 week cruise on 20% Test cream, HCG and Adex so no PCT was needed. First pin was Saturday.

If I come all the way off I have to do PCT at my age.

You wouldn't do that anyway. Who wants to go back to low test levels.

One more: For Hrt, do you prefer cream or oil?

**heavyiron** · 12-07-2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Manbeef

You wouldn't do that anyway. Who wants to go back to low test levels.

One more: For Hrt, do you prefer cream or oil?

The 20% cream is decent with HCG and adex. I kept a lot of strength. I do kinda like IM though. Much easier to dose heavy with IM.

**Fluid Karma** · 12-07-2009, 10:32 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean!

Thx bro!

**nitrous** · 12-07-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I use 1,000iu HCG eod for about 2 weeks while the ester is clearing when I use 500iu HCG twice weekly on cycle. I always run an AI on cycle and post. This would be with Cyp or Enanthate.

If you are using Prop I would start the higher dose of HCG about 10 days before stopping the aas. Basically you want to finish with the HCG about the time the aas has hit baseline but if you are off a few days no biggie.

just to clarify.. you think a SERM (clomid for example) is needed in PCT as well with HCG ran throughout?