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    I dont think thats a fair statement.
    You will get shakes even if u start pretty low for the first 2-3-4 days , then the dose will be the lowest.
    They will go away after a few days even if you increase.
    Dont drink cofee or get any preworkout drinks and stimulants while taking clen.

    Eat bananas or supplement with potasium.
    It allso depletes the body of taurine. Get that as a supplement and take before bed ( its a neuro relaxant, you will sleep better)
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    Gonna bump this for "what should I feel or see while on T3?" . Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socialdfan View Post
    Gonna bump this for "what should I feel or see while on T3?" . Thanks in advance.
    At first you will notice being warmer and your appetite getting larger. Its not a stim so u wont get jittery or nauseous.
    Typically, any higher then 50 and you run the risk of burning more then just fat. Also 50mcg is about the highest you can or should maintain a steady dose. T3 has a unfair notorious record for being super dangerous. It really is not as long as you respect it. Your thyroid will recover. even for lengths of years at a time (not that I recommend this). It also is not a super fast worker. It's effects are wonderful but realized slowly over time. 3 weeks is not enough to do anything imho.

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    Ok NTBM, thank you for the response. Appreciated.

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    Testosterone Administration Preserves Protein Balance But Not Muscle Strength during 28 Days of Bed Rest

    Jeffrey J. Zachwieja, Steven R. Smith, Jennifer C. Lovejoy, Jennifer C. Rood, Marlene M. Windhauser and George A. Bray

    They gave one group of subjects 50 mcg/day of T3 plus placebo (P), or 50 mcg/day of T3 plus 200 mg/week of testosterone enanthate (T). As you can see, the T group gained LBM despite the T3, whereas the T3 group lost muscle mass:

    "After 28 days of bed rest, the men in the P group lost an average of 3.9 kg of body weight (i.e. from 82.0 ± 7.1 to 78.1 ± 7.1 kg). Body weight in the T-treated subjects declined by only 1.0 kg (78.9 ± 4.9 to 77.9 ± 4.9 kg). This treatment x time interaction was statistically significant (P = 0.002). Lean body mass declined by 1.5 kg in the P group, whereas the T-treated subjects experienced nearly a 2-kg increase in lean mass (i.e. 1.7 ± 0.9 kg); again, the treatment x time interaction was statistically significant (P = 0.04)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    Testosterone Administration Preserves Protein Balance But Not Muscle Strength during 28 Days of Bed Rest

    Jeffrey J. Zachwieja, Steven R. Smith, Jennifer C. Lovejoy, Jennifer C. Rood, Marlene M. Windhauser and George A. Bray

    They gave one group of subjects 50 mcg/day of T3 plus placebo (P), or 50 mcg/day of T3 plus 200 mg/week of testosterone enanthate (T). As you can see, the T group gained LBM despite the T3, whereas the T3 group lost muscle mass:

    "After 28 days of bed rest, the men in the P group lost an average of 3.9 kg of body weight (i.e. from 82.0 ± 7.1 to 78.1 ± 7.1 kg). Body weight in the T-treated subjects declined by only 1.0 kg (78.9 ± 4.9 to 77.9 ± 4.9 kg). This treatment x time interaction was statistically significant (P = 0.002). Lean body mass declined by 1.5 kg in the P group, whereas the T-treated subjects experienced nearly a 2-kg increase in lean mass (i.e. 1.7 ± 0.9 kg); again, the treatment x time interaction was statistically significant (P = 0.04)."

    http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/84/1/207
    So much contradicting info out there...this is a good read. Thanks

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    With it stating t3 and hgh are not a good combo, how would the combo of t3/ghrp-2/cjc-1295/hgh be for leaning and maintaining muscle? And would bringing in clen be of benefit? Main goal is leaning.

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    I'm just wondering how long one can stay on but be able to recover fully on T3. I was supposed to compete and was about 8 weeks into my prep diet/cycle then we found out we had a wedding in Toronto to go to that contest weekend. Doesn't really bother me, just more time to grow and i'll compete early next season. Anyway, i was on some T3 @ 50mcg (as well a low dose tren/test). Even after finding out i wouldn't be competing i decided to stay on the T3 and the cycle while INCREASING cals. I am eating a lot of food and staying lean. My question is, what is the recommended amount of time I can stay on T3 @ 50mcg/day. Right now i am 4 weeks in to taking the T3. I just love the fact of being able to eat more, feeding the body and still staying lean. Just a side note that I am still doing a good amount of light cardio a day, staying active as well since I find this helps keep the fat away.

    I'm the type of guy who'd rather work hard and bust my ass in the gym and with cardio and be able to eat more cals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RawLifter View Post
    I'm just wondering how long one can stay on but be able to recover fully on T3. I was supposed to compete and was about 8 weeks into my prep diet/cycle then we found out we had a wedding in Toronto to go to that contest weekend. Doesn't really bother me, just more time to grow and i'll compete early next season. Anyway, i was on some T3 @ 50mcg (as well a low dose tren/test). Even after finding out i wouldn't be competing i decided to stay on the T3 and the cycle while INCREASING cals. I am eating a lot of food and staying lean. My question is, what is the recommended amount of time I can stay on T3 @ 50mcg/day. Right now i am 4 weeks in to taking the T3. I just love the fact of being able to eat more, feeding the body and still staying lean. Just a side note that I am still doing a good amount of light cardio a day, staying active as well since I find this helps keep the fat away.

    I'm the type of guy who'd rather work hard and bust my ass in the gym and with cardio and be able to eat more cals.
    I'm a slave to t3 for the same reason..

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    we need some t4 info

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    what is the typical pre-contest dosage for T3? i've heard 50-100 mcg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big nut View Post
    what is the typical pre-contest dosage for T3? i've heard 50-100 mcg.
    everybody has a different opinion. i would start out at 50 and see how that does then slowly work up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daywalker72 View Post
    everybody has a different opinion. i would start out at 50 and see how that does then slowly work up.
    thanks for your input.

    heres some T4 info...
    Medical uses
    Levothyroxine is typically used to treat [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothyroidism"]hypothyroidism[/ame].[1] It may also be used to treat [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goiter"]goiter[/ame] via its ability to lower thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH), a hormone that is considered goiter-inducing.[2][3]
    [edit] Adverse effects

    Dosing must be carefully controlled to achieve TSH levels within the normal reference range. Long term suppression of TSH values below normal values will frequently cause cardiac side effects and contribute to decreases in bone mineral density (high TSH levels are also well known to contribute to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteoporosis"]osteoporosis[/ame]).[4]
    Patients prescribed too high of a dose of levothyroxine may experience effects which mimic hyperthyroidism.[5] Overdose can result in heart [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpitations"]palpitations[/ame], abdominal pain, nausea, anxiousness, confusion, agitation, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia"]insomnia[/ame], weight loss, and increased appetite.[6] Allergic reactions to the drug are characterized by symptoms such as difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, or swelling of the face and tongue. Acute overdose may cause [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever"]fever[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoglycemia"]hypoglycemia[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_failure"]heart failure[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma"]coma[/ame] and unrecognized [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency"]adrenal insufficiency[/ame].
    Acute massive overdose may be life-threatening; treatment should be symptomatic and supportive. Massive overdose may require beta-blockers for increased [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathomimetic"]sympathomimetic[/ame] activity.[5]
    The effects of overdosing appear 6 hours to 11 days after ingestion.[6]
    [edit] Interactions

    There are also foods and other substances that can interfere with absorption of thyroxine replacement. People ought to avoid taking [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium"]calcium[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron"]iron[/ame] supplements within 4 hours,[7] as well as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy"]soy[/ame] products within 3 hours of the medication, as these can reduce absorption of the drug. Grapefruit juice may delay the absorption of levothyroxine, but it is not believed to have a significant effect on bioavailability.[8] Other substances that reduce absorption are [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium"]aluminium[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium"]magnesium[/ame] containing [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antacids"]antacids[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simethicone"]simethicone[/ame] or [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralfate"]sucralfate[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholestyramine"]cholestyramine[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colestipol"]colestipol[/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayexalate"]Kayexalate[/ame]. A study of eight women suggested that coffee may interfere with the intestinal absorption of levothyroxine, though at a level less than eating bran.[9] Different substances cause other adverse effects that may be severe. Ketamine may cause [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertension"]hypertension[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachycardia"]tachycardia[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricyclic"]tricyclic[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetracyclic_antidepressant"]tetracyclic[/ame] [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidepressants"]antidepressants[/ame] increase its toxicity. On the other hand [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium"]lithium[/ame] can cause hyperthyroidism (but most often hypothyroidism) by affecting [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine"]iodine[/ame] metabolism of the thyroid itself and thus inhibits synthetic levothyroxine as well.
    [edit] Dosage


    Generic Levothyroxine, 25 MCG Oral Tablet


    Dosages vary according to the age groups and the individual condition of the patient, body weight and compliance to the medication and diet. Monitoring of the patient's condition and adjustment of the dosage is periodical and necessary. Levothyroxine is taken on an empty stomach approximately half an hour to an hour before meals.[5]
    [edit] Brand names

    Common [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_names"]brand names[/ame] include Thyrax, Euthyrox, Levaxin, L-thyroxine, Eltroxin and Thyrax Duotab in Europe; Thyrox in South Asia; Eutirox, Tirosint, Levoxyl and Synthroid in North America. There are also numerous [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_drug"]generic[/ame] versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daywalker72 View Post
    we need some t4 info
    from what ive ready, if your thyroid is healthy T4 isnt going to make a difference. T3 is where its at.

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