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    No, you are better off with you pump it you blood sugars are stable. I used the pump for a while but seemed to have better luck with injections. The best ways I found to maximize my gains was 40-50 grams carbs pre-workout and 50-75 post. I use maltodextrin pre and either maltodextrin or dextrose post. These are key times to create an insulin spike so take advantage of the fact you can control it.

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    Why is it suggested to take breaks from slin? I've used the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and 6 weeks on 6 weeks off while on cycles. Why can't we just run it all 16 weeks? Lets say a 10 iu shot after breakfast and a 10 iu shot after the 4pm workout? That's two shots a day 5 days a week.

    I'll also post this in the regular chemical section.

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    where can I buy deca and test ?? I saw this site named the ***** anyone buy from it ?? don't want no fake gear

    EDIT ** COME ON MAN - you don't ask for sources on the boards...
    Last edited by The Big Sexy; 10-20-2010 at 11:18 AM.

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    LMFAO, fuckin rookie!

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    come on now i am sure you were a rookie at one point. Even dave my guru doesn't know. thought these forums were for help ?

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    Not for giving out sources that manufacture AAS, read the damn RULES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loogerheaven View Post
    come on now i am sure you were a rookie at one point. Even dave my guru doesn't know. thought these forums were for help ?
    Legend is 100% correct. The inherent problem with asking for a source on the open forums is - they are open forums. Nobody knows you. Other people *wink wink* can easily read these forums - if a source is listed, it isn't to hard for them to check it out and put a little sting operation together... or whatever they do.

    Also, you open yourself up for scammers who will PM you and say "Yeah man I got that send me $$$ here" and they either send you crap or nothing at all... then, you come back to us and say "what kind of a site are you running here?!?"

    It really is for your protection... because for one, buying steroids is illegal and two, if you wouldn't walk into an open room with 1000's of strangers in it and ask if you can get some steroids or where to get them - don't ask it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loogerheaven View Post
    come on now i am sure you were a rookie at one point. Even dave my guru doesn't know. thought these forums were for help ?
    no source hunting ever..rookie or not..source hunting can and will result in suspension...feel free to engage in any other chem related topics...thanks and have a nice day...

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    Valid points THEBIGSEXY didn't even thought of that. and yea IAMLEGEND & S2H I didn't read the rules tend to just jump onto a forum will do in the future.

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    Very good article on insulin. I love reading from people who actually know their science and chemistry. Very, very good stuff!! I have a degree in chemistry and this is as factual, and basically absolutely perfect as it gets.

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    So i could walk in my local walgreens and just ask for humalin-r and they will give it to me without asking questions??

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    ^^
    Yes, diabetics need Humulin-R and no script required in most states.

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    Some places will require a script still but it is legal to buy humalin R over the counter. All other forms of insulin require a script.

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    Insulin and Bodybuilding

    Look back through picture archives of bodybuilding and you will be struck by
    a startling fact. In the last half-decade bodybuilders have been getting
    much larger much quicker. Certain professionals have added twenty pounds to
    their contest weight in one season, after having seemingly reached a
    plateau. The bodybuilding audience loves to hear that this weight gain is
    due to some secret drug or some newly discovered gene therapy. Elaborate
    theories are developed to explain these rapid weight gains and the
    professionals themselves are not helpful; they claim that it’s the new
    X-brand supplement that’s doing it and leave it at that.

    The truth is that bodybuilders have discovered the most anabolic hormone
    produced by the body, insulin. Additionally, insulin has the benefit of
    being not only legal and over the counter in most states, but it is very
    cheap. A bottle costs less then thirty dollars and there is no need to worry
    about counterfeits. By correctly using insulin, in conjunction with human
    growth hormone and anabolic steroids, modern professionals have added pounds
    of mass onto seemingly stagnant physiques.

    This chapter will give a brief overview of insulin and the methods by which
    its anabolic action is exerted. We will outline how to correctly and safely
    use insulin both to gain size and to prepare for a contest (or simply diet).

    Insulin: The Overview
    Insulin is a peptide hormone, secreted by the pancreatic islets of
    Langerhans. Insulin promotes glucose utilization, protein synthesis, and
    regulates the metabolism of sugar. Insulin travels until it reaches receptor
    sites on cells. At these sites insulin facilitates the transport of glucose
    and amino acids across the cell membrane to be used inside the cell for
    energy and protein synthesis. This is insulin’s anabolic effect, not only in
    super-saturating the cells with nutrients, but also helping to volumize the
    cell.

    Insulin Safety:
    There are significant risks that accompany the use of insulin. The greatest
    risk is an over-dose of insulin, which leads to hypoglycemic shock. This is
    not an overdose in the typical sense of the word; in this case it means that
    too much insulin was administered for the amount of glucose in the
    bloodstream. To this end, it is important to choose the correct type of
    insulin and to know when it peaks and the effective period of action of the
    drug in your body. This information is provided later in this chapter.

    The symptoms of insulin shock are easy to recognize.

    Distress is relatively rapid, usually in a matter of minutes.

    Hunger.

    Sweating.

    Cold, clammy feeling.

    Paleness.

    Trembling, anxiety.

    Rapid heartbeat.

    Feeling of weakness or faintness.

    Irritability and change in mood or personality.

    Loss of consciousness.

    Treatment:

    Feed the person a source of quickly absorbed sugar. If the person is
    conscious, table sugar, fruit juice, honey, a non-diet soft drink, or any
    other available sugar source will do. If the person is unconscious, do not
    try to force sugar or liquid down his throat. Honey, granulated sugar, or a
    special capsule (such as D-glucose) containing concentrated sugars, which
    some diabetics carry, can be carefully placed under the tongue where it is
    absorbed into the body. However, this may be difficult to do.

    There is another rapid form of intervention that anyone using insulin should
    know about; a glucagon pen. Injectable glucagon is a hormone, normally
    produced in the pancreas, which has effects opposite to those of insulin. It
    is commonly used to treat hypoglycemia or low blood sugar. It may also be
    used to relax parts of the gastrointestinal tract for certain examinations.
    It is not a controlled substance. In the event of the onset of hypoglycemia,
    this emergency injection will pull your blood sugar back up. If you are
    using insulin, you should have one of these pens with you at all times.

    Take the person to a hospital emergency room as quickly as possible. Severe
    insulin reactions can be fatal. Do not be afraid of getting into “trouble”,
    the use of insulin is legal. You will certainly get a lecture about how
    crazy it is to use insulin, but you will not be arrested or detained in
    anyway.

    It is extremely important to have someone who you can trust monitor you when
    you are using insulin. They should be aware of the signs of insulin shock as
    well as the course of action to follow in the event that you do slip into a
    hypoglycemic state. Some insulin users will go so far as to purchase a medic
    alert bracelet that indicates them as a diabetic in the even that they pass
    out in public.

    During a bulking phase, when calorie intake is deliberately high, insulin
    shock is not likely to be a problem assuming that post injection nutrition
    is precise (as outlined later in the chapter). In the even that you begin to
    feel any of the above symptoms immediately begin to consume the most simple
    sugars you can find, particularly look for glucose polymers and dextrose.
    Avoid fructose, as it is ineffective at raising blood sugar levels rapidly.

    In the even that you are using insulin in dieting, do not be afraid to “blow
    your diet” by eating candy if you feel your blood sugar getting dangerously
    low. Your diet is not worth your life.

    Types of Insulin:
    There are three important characteristics that differentiate the available
    types of modern insulin. To properly use insulin in bodybuilding it is
    important to know the following characteristics:

    Onset:
    the time it takes the injected insulin to reach the blood stream and begin
    to work.
    Peak:
    the time period in which the insulin is working it’s hardest to lower the
    blood sugar.
    Duration:
    the length of time the insulin will be working in the bloodstream. It is
    important to remember that insulin is an indiscriminate storage hormone. It
    doesn’t care if its storing fat or glucose. Therefore fat intake should be
    as low as possible during the effective period of the insulin in the body.
    This will help prevent excessive fat gain.

    For bodybuilding purposes we will only be concerned with three types of
    insulin; Humalin “R”, Humalin “N” and Humalog are the most useful types of
    insulin. The other varieties are mixes of the above types in set ratios.

    Humalin “N” is the longest acting insulin; it is active in the body for 24
    hours. Additionally, it peaks several times throughout the day. Humalin “N’
    is useful in the high calorie off-season when there will always be an
    abundant supply of glucose. However, even the most dedicated bodybuilder who
    is eating many small meals may run into serious trouble in the insulin peak
    corresponds to a period of low blood sugar. Also, the long duration of
    Humalin “N’ means that the bodybuilder must adhere to a low fat diet
    throughout the day, which is incongruously with the eating necessary to
    achieve brutal size.

    Humalin “R” is known as the rapid insulin. The manufacturers claim that this
    type of insulin is active in the body for up to six hours; in reality it’s
    closer to four and a half hours. The onset time of “R” is roughly thirty
    minutes and the drug peaks in one and a half to two and a half hours after
    injection.

    Humalog is the fastest acting insulin. It has duration of about 2 hours,
    peaks in fifteen minutes, and is ideal for bodybuilding purposes because it
    is out of the body quickly. The speed at which Humalog works is beneficial
    because it allows us more precise control and lets us know exactly when food
    needs to be consumed.

    Insulin Injection Procedure:
    Insulin can be injected intravenously, intramuscularly, or subcutaneously.
    Injection insulin into the veins is creepy, but safe. However, it is not
    necessary to do this, as injection insulin into muscle or under the skin is
    just as effective.

    The injection site, exercise, and the accuracy of the dosage measurement,
    the depth of injection and by environmental temperatures, can affect insulin
    absorption. To obtain consistency in daily insulin absorption and action,
    you should vary injection sites within the same anatomical region. The
    abdomen provides an excellent area for consistent absorption of insulin,
    whereas the leg and arm areas are often affected more by exercise. Repeated
    injection in the same area may cause a delay in absorption whereas massaging
    the site of injection may lead to an increased rate of absorption. Insulin
    should be injected at a 90-degree angle using an insulin syringe (25 unit,
    30 unit, 50 unit, or 100 unit size) or with an insulin pen. If redness,
    pain, or lumps are noted at the injection site, this area should be avoided
    until the problem goes away.

    Be sure to follow proper sterilization procedures. Wipe down the injection
    area with alcohol. The insulin needle is very thin so bleeding should be
    minimal. However, press a swab of cotton soaked in alcohol over the
    injection site after you withdraw the needle. This will protect almost
    entirely against infection.

    An increase in blood flow to an injection site will increase the rate that
    insulin is absorbed. So, exercise will cause insulin to be absorbed more
    rapidly, because blood flow has increased to the exerted muscle groups. You
    will need to either inject less insulin or eat more carbohydrates after
    exercise. Rubbing the injected area increases blood flow, and hence,
    absorption.

    Post Injection Meals and Supplements:
    Depending on the onset time of the insulin type you are using you have
    varying lengths of time in which to ingest the post-insulin meal. Generally
    your post insulin meals should follow these guidelines.

    60-80 grams of a good quality protein powder. Whey protein is ideal. This is
    taken immediately after the injection.

    7 grams of simple carbohydrates (not fructose as it does not raise blood
    sugar quickly enough) per IU of insulin injected. Every 15-20 minutes after
    the first shot, take a few glucose tablets. This is will increase the amount
    of glucose available to your body for storage.

    200 mg of chromium picolinate (this is optional).

    200 mg of lipoic acid (this is optional).

    30 mg vanadyl sulfate (this is optional).

    2000 mg of hydroxy citric acid (this is optional).

    5-7 grams of creatine monohydrate. This is crucial.

    5-7 grams of glutamine powder. This is also crucial.

    The total amount of insulin that you will be using daily is roughly 15-45
    IUs depending on how many carbohydrates you can eat that day. During dieting
    periods, the total amount of insulin will be greatly reduced.

    Typically, three injections of insulin are used daily. The first is taken
    immediately upon awaking; this is an appropriate time to use the Humalin “R”.
    The second shot is taken mid-day and Humalog is recommended. The last
    injection is taken immediately after the workout of the day. If you are
    doing a double split training program, then take one shot after each workout
    and adjust your other injection accordingly. Do not take an injection too
    late at night; you want to be able to stay awake through the entire period
    of action so you can monitor yourself for signs of low blood sugar.

    Anyone who is going to use insulin should take some time to familiarize him
    or herself with the glycemic index. The glycemic index is a ranking of foods
    based on how they effect the body’s blood sugar levels. There are many
    resources that provide elaborate listing of many types of foods including
    fast foods. For our purposes it is merely important to identify the foods
    with high glycemic index scores to consume with the insulin injection. Below
    is a list of foods (or sugars) that scored very highly on the glycemic
    index.

    Whole Foods or Candies

    Jelly Beans

    Dates

    Sugar types
    (in ascending order; Maltose elevates blood sugar the most)

    Lactose

    Honey

    High fructose corn syrup

    Glucose

    Glucose tablets

    Maltodextrin

    Maltose

    Conclusion:
    For many, insulin may seem like the perfect bodybuilding drug. It’s legal,
    cheap, effective, and easy to obtain. However, the decision to use insulin
    is not one that can be made lightly. At worst, the misuse or abuse of
    anabolic steroids will probably result in no more than elevated liver
    enzymes and a host of undesirable cosmetic side effects. Improper use of
    insulin will result in much more serious consequences, including death.
    Bodybuilders must first ask themselves if they possess the necessary
    maturity and intelligence to responsibly use this hormone. Look before you
    leap my friends.
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