Thyroid Hormones: T4 - Experienced Feedback

[ArabMuscle]

After we all experieced our first AAS cycles, our curiousity sooner or later got the best of us. We started researching and looking around for better, stronger cycles that produced dramatic, sustaining results.

I've used compounds that my body didn't need. I just wanted to experiment and experience a certain drug in order to provide first hand experienced feedback; nonetheless extensive research is needed before fulfilling such experiences.

Most recently, I dug into thyroid hormones. I read and researched about all kinds and decided to experiment. Thyroid hormone T3 was easy to research since everyone loved it and tried it. However, the pussy in me took over and decided to start out with something less risky, T4.

Again, I researched using books, studies and of course the internet and found nothing conclusive. There was absolutely nothing credible about what I've read. So I pulled out William Llewellyn's Anabolic Reference 2008 and started reading about T4. I don't agree with a lot with his ideas, but he was the only one who provided me information that I can work with, including dosing protocols and duration.

I consulted HeavyIron and he told me that T4 would only work if you have pre-existing thyroid problems. Whenever Heavy provides me with advice or information that I don't like to hear, I hate it; but what I hate (and love) the most is that everything he preaches turns out to be true.

I thought about what he said and realized that my metabolism has slowed down. I used to walk around with 9% bodyfat in the off season 2 years ago. Slowly, I've started carrying this unnecessary fat around. Now, I'm up 12% bf in my off season. I've always had a fast metabolism so something might have went wrong.

I went to the pharmacy and bought some Synthroid (T4) and started with 25mcg. I increased 25mcg every 3-4 days up until I reached 175mcg (as of today). I'm planning to go up to 200mcg. I've been on T4 for 24 days. Below are the positive and negative side effects that I've experienced:

Positive:
1) I've regained my old metabolism back.
2) Zero bloating, even after a huge cheat meal.
3) I assimilate nutrients much faster.
4) I could eat a human being 2 hours after my last meal.
5) I take a dump 4-7 times a day. Full fledged dump and no diarrhea.
6) Leaner, harder physique.

Negative:
1) I take a dump 4-7 times a day. This can get annoying with time.
2) My right eye lid twitches. I had this problem a year ago when things were stressful and now its back, but not as serious.

I'm currently chemically enhanced, 600mg of Deca, 600mg of Test Cyp, 50mg of Proviron, 750iu's of HCG twice a week, 1/4 tab of Letro twice a week.

I consume 4,500 calories per day, increasing 500 calories every 4 weeks or as I see fit.

Hieght: 6'2
Weight: 235lbs
Bodyfat: 9-10%
Age: 26

[MrOXY]

i was always interested in cytomel but frm all the reserch on it and knowing that the thyroid is a very delicate thing to fuk with i wouldent use it

[heavyiron]

T3 is pretty safe. T4 is very safe.

[Marduk The UnREPable]

I used for two cycles , was burning fat but well , you can say it was the clen , ephedrine I was taking also . Took the same latter compunds but with T3 , holy fuck , the shit is the shit. Go with T3 , with education , it should not be a dangerous compound.

[ArabMuscle]

MrOxy is right. Without the proper education you can screw up your thyroids.
T4 only served as a stepping stone. I'll up the ante sooner or later with T3.

Any ideas on how long I can run T4? I was planning on 2 months.

[heavyiron]

MrOxy is right. Without the proper education you can screw up your thyroids.
T4 only served as a stepping stone. I'll up the ante sooner or later with T3.

Any ideas on how long I can run T4? I was planning on 2 months.

You may run it as long as you like. It is hard to damage thyroid with T4. I would be willing to say next to impossible to damage it. There are trials where full restoration of thyroid happened in a few weeks after years of use of T3.

[rainjack]

Arab Muscle -

Can you describe the bloating you mentioned? I had no idea that bloating could be an indicator of T4 deficiency.

[Judge]

my thyroid is already damaged (hypo) , I have been taking T4 for 3 years now.Lately I added some T3 along with it and I think my thyroid works a lot better

[ChocolateThunder]

You may run it as long as you like. It is hard to damage thyroid with T4. I would be willing to say next to impossible to damage it. There are trials where full restoration of thyroid happened in a few weeks after years of use of T3.

+1. The myth of permanent shut down is WAY overblown.

[nitrous]

from what i heard from a number of people is to forget T4 and run T3.. the reason some doctors shy away from it is because it can cause damage because it is much stronger.. because of that simply don't over do it.. just do a lower dosage and do not do stupid levels of it and you should be fine..


With that said as far as i know very few people have burned out their thyroid taking T3.. it's possible but very few.. so do proper dosages and you should be fine

[Johnny Phenomenon]

T3 is pretty safe. T4 is very safe.

You think (re: T3)? I know some guys who have done some pretty hard damage on T3. I've never used it so I wouldn't know first hand. Do you have any exp heavy?

[nitrous]

You think (re: T3)? I know some guys who have done some pretty hard damage on T3. I've never used it so I wouldn't know first hand. Do you have any exp heavy?

what is pretty hard damage? were they tested? what dosage were they taking?

[Johnny Phenomenon]

what is pretty hard damage? were they tested? what dosage were they taking?

Hi nitrous, it's been a while lol. I don't know for sure. I know one of the guys was gearing up for his level 3, which is the Ontario's here, and his thyroid is shut down almost completely. He'll be on prescription drugs for the rest of his life so he doesn't become a lardass. A few other guys just seem to have a really hard time getting lean like they use to. Of course, from what I take from their stories is that they were not immaculate with their scheduling, and fucked up on taking their cytomel on time. I just prefer to stick with cycling clen for 4-6 weeks, and the ECA stack for 4 weeks.

[ArabMuscle]

Arab Muscle -

Can you describe the bloating you mentioned? I had no idea that bloating could be an indicator of T4 deficiency.

Neither did I.

Before starting the T4, I used to bloat whenever I eat anything above 700 calories. That never happened to me less than 2 years ago, when my metabolism was at its best.

After using T4, I've noticed that my appetite came back. I noticed that my muscles started looking fuller, which I'm assuming means that I'm assimilating the nutrients properly. Moreover, my visits to the toilet increased. Pre-T4, my bathroom visits were a maximum of 3 per day. Now, I'm in there 6-7 times.

I used to consume 1,000 calories less than now when I bloated.

[nitrous]

Hi nitrous, it's been a while lol. I don't know for sure. I know one of the guys was gearing up for his level 3, which is the Ontario's here, and his thyroid is shut down almost completely. He'll be on prescription drugs for the rest of his life so he doesn't become a lardass. A few other guys just seem to have a really hard time getting lean like they use to. Of course, from what I take from their stories is that they were not immaculate with their scheduling, and fucked up on taking their cytomel on time. I just prefer to stick with cycling clen for 4-6 weeks, and the ECA stack for 4 weeks.

i guess no idea on the dosages they were taking? timing alone shouldnt cause issues like that.. and i love clen.. not a fan of the ECA stack though..