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01-12-2010, 05:38 AM #1
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Define cheating in sport
In the current Observer Sports Monthly magazine in the Uk they printed an article detailing some pioneers of future sport; athletes, doctors, scientists, coaches etc.
One mention, which grabbed my attention, was that of Greg McGarrell. This guy runs a company called MedCell Bioscience who specialise in helping equine athletes. One service they provide is the regeneration of damaged tendons via basic stemcell technology. Damaged tendons is said to be the number one problem for equine athletes, normally retiring the horses. However this technology has a 78% success rate.
Dr McGarrell has now said his technology is ready for human use, and he has already been approached by several athletes. UK Sport (governing body) are pushing for this to be available for the olympics 2012. The Dr honestly states, with this technology "professional sports will never be the same" - I guess because previously retired athletes can now get their damaged tendons regenerated and carry on.
So I'm wondering why bodybuilding is viewed as a sport filled with drug cheats when top level athletes from NFL, baseball, cycling, track & field, weightlifting, swimming, badminton etc are known to either be using or have been caught already? Why is it when all Balco athletes are known to be using, yet Usain Bolt smashes all previous records time after time no eyebrows are raised?
Why is it cheating to use testosterone, but its perfectly fine to use a swimsuit which makes you go faster, laser eye surgery, tendon regeneration, platelet therapy, trainers that make you run more economically, running gear that makes you more aerodynamic etc etc etc?
If you look up the definition of cheating you might find such things as; unsporting, dirty, foul, deceit, deception, unfair and unjust.
So someone tell me, why is it not considered unfair, unjust, deceitful, deceptive and unsporting for athletes to win simply because they have the right endorsements (speedos LZR swimsuit) and the most money (platelet therapy/tendon regeneration/eye surgery aint cheap). But you are a criminial, a cheat and a shame upon all of humanity because you sought to optimize your shitty genetics!!!!???
Victor Conte had a point when he said "we live in a pharmaceutically enhanced society". I think that now needs to be "we live in an enhanced society".
Is it possible that the powers that be are so consumed by the thought that drugs are ruining sports they cannot see that techology is doing the same thing?
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01-12-2010, 05:48 AM #2
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When you get caught, it's called cheating!
When you don't get caught, it'd called WINNING!
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01-12-2010, 05:59 AM #3
When you cheat, it's called evening out the playing field.
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01-12-2010, 07:23 AM #4
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01-12-2010, 07:24 AM #5
Ask tiger woods.
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01-12-2010, 09:27 AM #6
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steroids/hgh/insulin etc is not cheating in bodybuilding. YOu cannot compete at high ranks without it (unless you are in natural shows which, well good luck with that...every guy is juiced there too). It's evening out the playing field. The one thing that i feel is cheating in the NPC at least, is synthol. Its not like gear where it "creates and environment to grow" and you still must do the work. That basically just makes every muscle bigger..like implants. No skill. No dedication
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01-12-2010, 10:04 AM #7
they call it "cheating" maybe because most sport federations have rules against aas (and not against speedo swimsuits, laser operations etc) so by using them you are a "cheater"...we must reform the rules!
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01-12-2010, 10:07 AM #8
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01-12-2010, 10:14 AM #9
Cheating is knowingly doing something that goes against the regulations.
The regulatory body of the sport or community decides what is and is not acceptable and then the development companies need to work within the parameters to create new equipment for the sport. Going outside the parameters is cheating.
The people and companies that look for the loopholes and find ways to develop equipment, technologies or supplements that are not "illegal" are the ones who stand to profit the most. They also tend to spend the most time and energy looking for innovative ideas and concepts to push forward.
The Speedo LZR is a great example of an innovative product that the regulatory body decided to ban as the technology was held by one company and none of the other suit makers could compete. It was not cheating, it was straight up a brilliant product, but it created massive sponsorship issues within the industry and had to go. Will they let the LZR back in the pool once the other companies get up to speed? We will see.
Balco is an example of finding a way around the testing environment. Once the governing body decided to ban all AAS, then there was no more loophole to create unique AAS as they are illegal. It then became all about the cat and mouse of not getting caught. That means finding how other non-banned OTC and prescription drugs work together to improve performance....until the governing body figures it out and bans the material.
It always amazes me how soooo many T&F athletes have so many "ailments" that "require" them to have prescriptions for this or that product which is on the banned list, particularly those products which open airways! A "legal" way of getting the products they need to ever so slightly increase performance.
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01-12-2010, 01:34 PM #10
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01-12-2010, 01:43 PM #11
Cheating is going against the rules of your sport. If they don't test then you are not cheating by using AAS. I am completely for letting athletes use drugs to help them in their chosen sport, but I am against them using drugs if it is clearly stated that they are against the rules. If you don't like the rules then pick a different sport. Unfortunately, this philosophy does not really work because so many people can break rules and not even get caught, like at the Olympics.
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01-12-2010, 01:46 PM #12
When you're on a road trip and you sleep with another woman.
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01-12-2010, 01:55 PM #13
difine cheating in sport= NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
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01-13-2010, 12:15 AM #14
I actually believe drugs should be eliminated from sports as much as possible... Because I think that would make our retarded trio (society, media and senate) less prone to spending our tax money on witchhunts.
I believe it would cause the return of anabolic steroids and GH into offices of physicians who could finaly be not afraid to educate themselves and give it to people who actually need it (HIV+, other immunocompromised, etc.) and even for people who want it for cosmetic purposes to feel better about themselves.
Athletes abused the hell out of drugs because of their disconnect from medical society (which is partially our fault). If supervised, things did not have to get out of hand. Do you really believe that 1500 mg of testosterone is that much better than 750 mg? Do you really believe everyone can take 20 clenbuterols without getting ECG?
If I have both a competitive athlete and average Joe standing in front of me asking for RX., I am giving it only to one... The one whose everyday QUALITY of life actually improves.
Dr.X
Department of Medicine
UCLA School of Medicine
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01-13-2010, 06:22 AM #15
I believe that it is cheating when you compete in a Natural Federation and someone uses aas. They are cheating the Natties and I am against this. People who use aas should compete in federations that allow aas.
That is cheating to me! Otherwise if its allowed then I don't see it as cheating!
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