Non-testosterone female enhancements

**somethinnicea** · 02-06-2010, 06:12 PM

I was curious as to know if there are any enhancement products out there that help to eat fat and build lean muscle mass without testosterone for women. I have always went the natural route but wanted to know if there is anything available for women to take that does not contain test.
Thx =))

**musclemilf** · 02-06-2010, 06:16 PM

For a natty, there's no substitute for a good training program, clean diet, adequate recovery and patience. I'm not being a smart alec either.

**sassy69** · 02-06-2010, 06:32 PM

That's pretty much the answer. You're asking for something that manipulates your hormones. That sort of thing is all considered a controlled substance, at least in the US. You can use stuff like tribulis terrestis - it will bulk you up some, but probably make you feel more thick than "lean body mass"..

Here's the basic truth - there's no quicky way to make changes in your body. It can only respond to the environment & stimuli you give it - ie. .how yo fuel (what you eat), how you use that fuel (training, cardio) and how you recovery (maintain low stress & sleep). Even any supplement is only going to SUPPLEMENT an already working diet & training program - because that's what drives your body to function. If that isn't already in place & optimized, the rest doesnt' matter.

To address the pro-hormone line of thing (not sure what you define as "non-testosterone") - even tho these are not all explicitly steroids, they are, for practical purposes, steroids. But they are actually worse in the sense that often the producers will put together all sorts of things that sound good on paper, but really just end up being very harsh on your system. I'd actually suggest you just use regular steroids before using OTC prohormones if you're going to bother.

**tight booty** · 02-06-2010, 09:41 PM

Great advice!

**somethinnicea** · 02-07-2010, 10:05 AM

Thx ladies! and great advice Sassy. I have been doing the clean eating, training. supps and so forth but I guess I'm just not being patient enough. I just see some of these pro women out there and they look lean and shredded and I think to myself is that just yrs of training, the right diet, supps and good genetics or did they take something to enhance themselves but somehow remain feminine? For instance: Ava Cowan, Larissa Reis Erin Stern and so forth. Are all these women "natural"? I'm fairly new at this and have used several trainers in the past that are educated and have certifications or degrees. I figured to myself why pay all these ppl $$ when I can learn this stuff on my own...80% is diet! So I constructed my own plan, supps, weight and cardio training. I know its ultimately up to the person and how they respond due to everyones different, but if anyone who has some knowledge on diet wouldn't mind taking a look on my plan I would love to post and get some feedback. Thx ladies!!

**musclemilf** · 02-07-2010, 12:22 PM

You're correct, diet is key. Also, in this game genetics rule. You can do some things diet and training wise to work around inherited issues, but you can't change muscle belies or skeletal structure.

As far as the pros, I can't speak whether they're natural or not. What you're seeing in photographs is a condition that most humans can't maintain for more than 3 days lol. It's unrealistic to look at contest pictures and try to achieve that look unless you want to compete. You have to appreciate the many months of preparation and hard work it takes to get to stage condition...steroids aside.

Sassy, as well as the other lady forum mods, are very knowledgeable in dieting, competition and supplements. You might want to post your diet and training so they could do a high level evaluation.

**tammyp** · 02-07-2010, 02:11 PM

not all gear causes verilization (manly characteristics). anavar is very common with the figure girls as well as nolvadex clen and t3.

**Tatyana** · 02-07-2010, 02:19 PM

Unless a natural is very genetically gifted and also has the psychological fortitude to endure the diet, they are not going to look like the enhanced pros.

There are very few supplements that are not pharmaceuticals that actually do anything, whey protein and creatine are the exceptions.

I think it is possible for a woman to develop a great physique without using any steroids, it does require a bit more time for most.

**somethinnicea** · 02-07-2010, 03:20 PM

wed-low carb
Carb Protein fat
pre/post workout
1 scoop Isopure whey 16.6g 34g 0g
Meal 1
carb protein fat
4oz egg whites 2g 12g 0g
1 egg 1g 6g 0g
1tbsp pb 3g 4g 8g

meal 2
carb protein fat
pepper 4.5g 0g 0g 2oz
ground beef 0g 11.5g 4g
brown rice 9g 1g 0g
cottage chz 5g 13g 1g

meal 3
carb protein fat
4oz chix 0g 27g 1g 3oz
red potato 15g 3g 0g
1tbsp udos oil 0g 0g 14g

meal 4
carb protein fat
turkey 2g 8g 1g
salad 0g 0g 0g
1oz rice 16g 1.5g 1.5g

meal 5
carb protein fat
4 oz chix 0g 27g 1g
4 oz green beans 8g 2g 0g

82.1 150 31.5 = total macros
before bed propeptide 3g 22g 1.5g

85.1 172 33 = total macros after shake before bed

Tues
carb protein fat
pre/post workout
12 scoop whey 16.6g 34g 0g
meal 1
4oz egg whites 2g 12g 0g
1 egg 1g 6g 0g
2oz oatmeal 13.5g 2.5g 1.5g

meal 2

pepper 4.5g 1g 0g
2oz ground beef 0g 11.5g 4g
brown rice 9g 1g 0g
1/4 cup cashews 9g 5g 13g

meal 3

turkey 2g 8g 1g
salad 0g 0g 0g
1oz rice 16g 1.5g 1.5g
1/4 cup almonds 5g 6g 17g

meal 4

4oz turkey bgr 0g 22g 8g
5oz red potato 25g 1g 0g

meal 5
4oz chix 0g 27g 1g
salad 0g 0g0 0g

before bed
propeptide 3g 22g 1.5g

106.5 160 48.5 = total macros

Monday low carb
pre/post workout
carb protein fat
1 scoop whey 16.6g 34g 0g

meal 1-1105 carb protein fat
4oz egg whites 2g 12g 0g 2oz
oatmeal 13.5g 2.5g 1.5g
1tbsp pb 3g 4g 8g

meal 2
carb protein fat
1/2 green pepper 4.5g 1g 0g 2oz
ground beef 0g 11.5g 4g
brown rice 9g 1g 0g
4oz cottage chz 5g 13g 1g

meal 3
Carb protein fat
4oz chix 0g 27g 1g
3oz red potato 15g 3g 0g

meal 4
carb protein fat
4oz turkey bgr 0g 22g 8g
1oz brown rice 16g 1.5g 1.5g
salad 0g 0g 0g

meal 5
carb protein fat
4oz chix 0g 27g 1g
4oz green beans 8g 2g 0g

91.1 161 26 = total macros
before bed propepetide 3g 22g 1.5g

95.6 183 27.5= total macros after shake

This is predominately what I take in all wk w/one cheat meal added in there. I have been trying to keep my cheats as clean as possible to by making meals at home rather than treating myself out to food. I fluctuate the amount of carbs I take in each day. I also work out 6 days a wk and do btw 30 min and 1 hr of HIIT and steady cardio.
I was asking about the enhancements b/c I wanted to possibly take something that will help me lean/cut or so forth minus the side effects i so often hear about...deep, voice, enlarged clitoris, acne, facial hair etc. I wanted something that would keep me feminine. I have competed once so far and I had only 4 wks to prepare and I ended up placing 2nd in figure short. Now I know that with more time I can make leaps and bounds. My first show I had outside help and with this one I was thinking of trying to do the diet, exercise, carb loading, depleting, water and salt manipulation and so forth on my own. I just wanted something to give me that boost. So far I have eaten pretty clean for 3 wks and upped my water intake to a gallon a day. I do cardio on an empty stomach, minus the protein shake I drink before cardio and drink aminos thru out my workout. I cycle, cytolean and mito, and also take a multi vit, CLA, L-carnitine, vit C, arginine and citruline, fish oil and a shake before bed. I mainly eat every 2-3 hrs and split my cardio, 1/2 in the am and 1/2 in the pm. If anyone of you lovely ladies lol would like to take a look at my plan and critique it I would love the feedback on that and any helpful info as to what type of product I could get to speed up my efforts but remain "softer" than BB. Oh and I plan on doing another show for figure in June at the NPC states.

**tammyp** · 02-07-2010, 03:35 PM

you didnt mention your stats.

is this a program/diet prepping for stage? it seems quite low in cals for off season.

10mg of anavar is what you are looking to do. you will get an enlarged clit, and oily skin. some people break out, but i dont hear about it often. there are many threads that discuss anavar in this sub forum.

**somethinnicea** · 02-07-2010, 03:45 PM

yes I plan on doing a show in June...NPC states. For instance I do a 7 day carb cycle and it goes as follow: mon-1105, tues-984, wed-1325, thur-1105, fri-994, sat-1215, and sun-1105...mon, wed and sat are my low carb days. I'm trying to post my pics of me before I lost wt and what I looked like at my first show...a yr after I started to train. I was happy with what I accomplished in a short period of time but I want to be bad ass when I step on stage next time.