1g SUS OR E

[Jack of All]

Since I fully believe I got gyno from deca due to progesterone, for me its important. I started getting sore nips and I started nolva at 40mg ed and they just got worse and worse. I upped my arimidex to 1mg ed after a week of the nolva not working, next thing I know I have some solid lumps under both nips. I was taking 750mg test and 450mg deca/week. With 1mg ed of arimidex and 40mg ed of nolva I still got gyno. That only leaves me to believe one of two things. My nolva was junk or i got gyno from the progesterone from deca.

I know tons of guys run this same stuff with little to no AI and no caber or parami and are fine. I was not.

[King-Of-Test]

Maybe it was a bad idea to add the nolva while on cycle like Dragon MD said. I dont think im like you sensitive to decas sides, because ive tried it ones with no AIs and nolva still everything was fine. But there you go, the majority dosnt get problems. But how would you know that, untill you try it yourself. Is your gyno that bad? the thing i read abou parami scared a little.....

[Jack of All]

you can see it a bit in my last pics I posted. I still have some fat to lose but I have lumps just above both nips. Most people would probably never notice but i sure can.
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthrea...t=27285&page=3

[King-Of-Test]

Its not that bad!, i thought you've got some serious bitch tits.... i think its easily cureable if you want to compete, otherwise its nothing.

[esplendido]

You should not use nolvadex with deca. It can make deca related gyno worse.

Yes you can run armidex during cycle, but aromasin is much more effective, lower chance of over suppression, and no rebound of aromatase and estrogen after discontinuation. You will definitely need aromasin or even letro over dex on your cycle. If you do use letro during, make sure to switch to aromasin during PCT. You want aromasin for PCT for sure, nothing else.

If you are stuck on running 750-1000mg, then start at 750 the first 8 weeks, then 1000 the last 8. There is a significant reason behind this, a little thing called myostatin. Ever heard of it?

Also, don't focus on how much per week you on so much. You want to shoot Enanthate no more than e3d. You will have much steadier plasma concetrations as well as less sides. It is much more important than having a per week dose.

If you want to run 750mg per week, your e3 day shots will be either 300mg e3d for ~750mg per week, and 400mg e3d for ~1000mg ew. This is easy if your test is 200mg or 300mg per ml. If it is 250mg/ml, then you'll have to figure out how much to inject e3d to equal the before mentioned doses. 0.8ml of 250mg/ml is 200mg, and 1.6ml is 400mg.

I also highly suggest pramipexole with that cycle, or at least caber. I am not just coming up with his stuff out of thin air bro. This is what will work best for you and keep sides to a minimal.

Good luck.

Here-in is another uninformed bit of advice. The truth is that progesterone is an estrogen agonist. Nolvadex mitigates estrogen in the mammary glands specifically by binding with the estrogen receptors, preventing estrogen and its agonists from doing so. The treatment for gynecomastia caused by estrogen AND progesterone is the use of tamoxifen.

And yes, I've heard of myostatin. Have you? Your reference to it shows your complete ignorance of what your discussing and AAS affects on myostatins. I think you might be a 19 yr old know-it-all doling out hearsay as if you were an expert!

[esplendido]

It looks like I might have to start posting in here to clean this place up! There is so much misinformation and wrong info being touted here it's scary!

[King-Of-Test]

well this is good to hear, but how do you explain Jackofalls sitiuation? He added Nolva to his cycle but didnt notice any change?

[King-Of-Test]

It looks like I might have to start posting in here to clean this place up! There is so much misinformation and wrong info being touted here it's scary!

Would be great if you did that.. Would you use the parami drug?

[NPCKnight]

Would be great if you did that.. Would you use the parami drug?

for fucks sake. It is not parami.. its Pramipexole.....so you might say Prami. How do so many people not know how to spell/say the shit they want to put in their body.

[King-Of-Test]

for fucks sake. It is not parami.. its Pramipexole.....so you might say Prami. How do so many people not know how to spell/say the shit they want to put in their body.

I spell it right but when the pros in here said parami i went with it...
whats your opinion on the drug?

[Jack of All]

sorry about the spelling. I had it stuck in my head it was paramipexole.

[Dragon_MD]

Here-in is another uninformed bit of advice. The truth is that progesterone is an estrogen agonist. Nolvadex mitigates estrogen in the mammary glands specifically by binding with the estrogen receptors, preventing estrogen and its agonists from doing so. The treatment for gynecomastia caused by estrogen AND progesterone is the use of tamoxifen.

And yes, I've heard of myostatin. Have you? Your reference to it shows your complete ignorance of what your discussing and AAS affects on myostatins. I think you might be a 19 yr old know-it-all doling out hearsay as if you were an expert!

Bro, please, you obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about. I shouldn't even waste my time explaining scientifically the reasons behind what I say, as you probably would not understand. Tamaxofin increases Progesterone Receptors in short to moderate term use. Which is typically how long we use it for. During this period, if you are taking any progesterone based AAS, it WILL bind to these receptors. Causing gyno.

As for myostatin, it is proven that after approximatly of 8 weeks of an increase in anabolic's or androgen's in the body, the body will counter act by increasing it's level of myostatin. Which is why after 8 weeks gains typically gains tend to stall. Which is why you come off or up the doses at this time.

Maybe if you hung around here a little bit more you might learn something rather than running around with outdated knowledge acting like you know something putting people at higher risk.

[Bigphil]

just to be safe you might wanna get some cabergoline or prami to keep on hand i only dosed three times a week with caber .25 three time a week when i was on tren felt fine havnt used prami so couldnt tell u anything bout it

[King-Of-Test]

So how is the prices for Dostinex?
Its not that cheap.......right?

[Bigphil]

go to a research peptide site you will find cheap ai and prolactin blocker i had good reasults with the liquid prolactin blocker