Rita and I were on local TV news last night!

**bert** · 03-24-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Youngguns

I'm banging my head off the wall.

You need to realise the war isn't to get the bad guys (that's propaganda), the war is to secure a base in the middle east, secure the most precious commodity (oil), and make private contractors in infrastructure and telecommunications. Afghanistan is to control the poppies, as well as solidify additional bases.

To think this is to protect YOUR family from the bad guy proves that mass media completely owns your mind and you do 0 thinking for yourself.

I take refuge in the fact that everyday an increasing number of people are finally realising the truth about how the world works. Thank you internet!

I do realize that one of the agendas is the secure our presence their and the resources. I dont have a problem with that. I need all the gas I can get to drive my giant SUV, fuel the jets I fly on for vacation and heat my large home.

**bert** · 03-24-2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Youngguns

That was completely different, your thinking is so obtuse I'm fumbling to understand the complete nonsensical dribble you spew.

Ok, explain how it was different o wise one?

**roeperson** · 03-24-2010, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by bert

I agree we can not be the world police but we can not allow terrorists to be as strong as they were before 9/11. Check your facts we, are in Darfur. I work with a refugee from that country. He said things would be much worse if the US military was not there.

I'm sure they would be. My point is our presence is not their like it is in Iraq or Afganistan. We will just have to aagree to disagree.Our history taught us that we were fighting to save our land and rights as we saw them when the British came here in Droves to stake a claim to it. You cant compare the 2. If you remember we were in Iraq because they were supposed to have weapons of Mass destruction we found none .
Paul Revere wasnt screaming the Iraques are coming the Iraques are coming. Lets talk about what happened next our government tried to scare the shit out of us into thinking we needed to be in this war we needed to give up our rights and we needed to fear everything. We did all of the above above but the worst thing was giving up our rights and freedom. Ben Franklin once said Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither. We did this over and over again Remember the Patriot Act.

How about how Terror is sold to us

Part 2

**roeperson** · 03-24-2010, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by bert

I do realize that one of the agendas is the secure our presence their and the resources. I dont have a problem with that. I need all the gas I can get to drive my giant SUV, fuel the jets I fly on for vacation and heat my large home.

Well now that we know where you are coming from this conversation is over. Atleast your honest
Back to talking about bodybuilding Im getting a headache LOL
no this what ever we disagree on we are all americans and should have each others back when it comes down to it right is right and wrong is wrong. Im glad that we can have healthy debate like this cus your right in some countries this would be censored or hell I may not be able to afford a computer.

**bert** · 03-24-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by roeperson

Well now that we know where you are coming from this conversation is over. Atleast your honest
Back to talking about bodybuilding Im getting a headache LOL
no this what ever we disagree on we are all americans and should have each others back when it comes down to it right is right and wrong is wrong. Im glad that we can have healthy debate like this cus your right in some countries this would be censored or hell I may not be able to afford a computer.

I also dont like baby seals, trees, I love incandesant lighting, releasing freon into the environment, washing oil down the sewer drain and gasing up before 6 on smog alerts.
I am not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me, just try seeing the other side every once in a while. It may make you more progressive than you think you already are.

**roeperson** · 03-24-2010, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by bert

I also dont like baby seals, trees, I love incandesant lighting, releasing freon into the environment, washing oil down the sewer drain and gasing up before 6 on smog alerts.
I am not going to convince you and you are not going to convince me, just try seeing the other side every once in a while. It may make you more progressive than you think you already are.

LOL
Amen brother have a great day

**lou0178** · 03-24-2010, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Quadsweep

While I do not think he is a terroist. I do think he is a progressive socialist that wants to control the USA because as an elitist he feels he knows whats best for us better than we do. I also hope he fails but it looks as if he is moving ahead with this agenda. Makes me ill when I think about my son and what this could mean to him.

Jeff

what, you would rather see an ignorant hillbilly from Alaska in office.

**bert** · 03-24-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by lou0178

what, you would rather see an ignorant hillbilly from Alaska in office.

I will take an ignorant hillbilly who actually governed and used executive power over someone whose claim to fame was being a "community organizer" whatever the hell that is. Would you consider Clinton an ignorant hillbilly from Arkansas, whose schools consistently scored in the bottom 5% of all states in the US. I am guessing you probably would not.

**Quadsweep** · 03-26-2010, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by lou0178

what, you would rather see an ignorant hillbilly from Alaska in office.

Actually..... yes.

**AnglicanBeachParty** · 03-26-2010, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Quadsweep

Actually..... yes.

Me, too!

**roeperson** · 03-26-2010, 12:43 PM

This is like shooting fish in a barrel
you guys are making this way too easy

McCain was wondering what was wrong with Sarah

Obama uses a teleprompter Sarah uses her hand.

Damn I could go on and on but I better get my ass back to work lol
Sarah Palin you guys are funny
Still love u guys

**lou0178** · 03-26-2010, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by roeperson

That is a horrible argument. I love this country thats why we should allways strive to make it better. We dont forget our past because we are doomed to repeat it. Our forefathers did lay down a good framework we have to keep pushing to make it better. Up to the last 40 years that framework was not laid for people of color. Just think about it the First black football player in the SEC came on board in 1967. Just 43 years ago thats sad .

You know Africa is a continent these things are taking place in certain Countrys. Hey I will be the first to tell you I am an American I dont want to live their Hell my ancestory is from more then just parts of Africa. On the other hand as a minority in this country my father and grandfather would have liked the same oppertunities that your father and grandfather had. If you recall my dad or pop pop couldnt go to the same school as your dad couldnt drink out of the same water fountain didnt get the same education couldnt live in the same neighborhood. So yes your right things are better here. My father and pop would have liked to have had the same opertunities that yours had. Hey we are all trying to make the wrongs of the past right I guess.

You know whats funny we should prob be arguing diff sides of this debate because im taken care of. I have a job with great benefits. I guess I could say I got my education got a good job I got bennies everyone else can go fuck themselves I worked hard. Then I think of someone like you who busts his ass 11 hours a day at work and has no health insurance. One day you go to the DR. and he tells you ,you (your daughter , son wife ) put whomever in the blank has cancer. remember you have no insurance so now the bills are piling up you lose the gym now you dont have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. What do you do. Well this happens to people everyday and guess what its not the poorest of us that its happening to its people who bust their ass like you and me. Believe me I saw it every day I had a daughter that was born 15 weeks early 1lb 6 ounces thank God for my insurance but everyday for over 6 months in the hospital I saw dads crying and sacraficing cause they had no insurance to pay for their kids or had to quit jobs to qualify for certain programs. The poor were fine they had help it was the Man and woman that owned their own small businesses and had no insurance trying to make a better life for their kids that were set back years cus someone got sick and they were stuck with 100s of thousands of dollars in Med bills hell my Kayla is well over 2 million dollars now. Believe me most Social programs suck and what they usually do is keep people down but I cant see this as a bad thing it may help you. I joked with my friends yesterday on FB that didnt want this I told them if you get sick dont use it since you hate it so much.
PS if we can pay over 974,884,000,000 for a piece of shit war we can take care of our own.

a little intelligence goes a long way. What's worse are people complaining about taxes, when they aren't even in the tax bracket they are complaining about.