First Anavar cycle w/Thyroxine Sodium & OTC supps

[tankygirl]

Age: 50
Weight 150lbs
BF% 17.3
Training 20 years
Competing 2 years

Hi All, I am about to start my first cycle of Anavar. I will be starting with 2.5mg twice daily for 10 days then if no reactions I will go to 5mg twice daily for remainder of cycle (8 weeks at this stage)

My next competition is 22 weeks away and I have just started my pre-contest dieting, I like to take it slow and steady and allow for any problems that may need more time to fix..

Presently taking L-Glutamine, Creatine, Multi Vitamin, OTC Test Booster, Omega 3's, BCAA's, Protein Powder, usually drinking 3-4 litres of water.

I also take 200mcg of Thyroxine Sodium once a day as I had my thyroid totally removed 27 years ago... which means I can get the Thyroxine without any problems so changing the dose if required is also not a problem

Diet will be 2 days no carb one day higher carb, done by professional competition trainer and nutritionist who does not have a lot of knowledge with anavar.

My question is... sorry it too so long to get to it... is there any OTC supps I should be taking and how much, I saw on another thread Milk Thistle and Acidophilus were recommended... anything else?????

Thanx for your help and yes I know 50 does seem old but I don't think it is and when you get there neither will you....

[tammyp]

who said it was old?

what is your goal here? this dose wont see much as far as results go.youd be better starting with 5 and going to 10.

i think you have all the bases covered as far as supplementation..gl!

[s2h]

what are you doing figure,FBB?either way i would like to see you get your bf% down thru diet/cardio/training to 12% range....22 weeks on var is a bit much...

[s2h]

also 50's not old....

[sassy69]

I think you have every thing covered. I'm not clear on the duration of this cycle? 2 weeks start and then 8 weeks? I'd probably run more like 12-16 weeks, but not up to 22 if that is the plan.

[GirlyMuscle]

50 better not be old. I'll be 46 this year. Remember that with women in bodybuilding we only get better with age.

Good luck with your comp!

[tankygirl]

Thanx for the answers )

I am competing in Figure, I want to use var to gain some size not so much for cutting pre-comp, I can do that easily with diet and training/cardio and I'm usually on stage at 7% or 30 mm's, I just need a bit more size and a little help with keeping the gains as I find it is getting harder to keep the muscle I have as I age.

I was only going to run it for 10 weeks but if 12-16 is recommended then I will go with that, and change it up to 5 then 10....

Thanks again for your answers will let you know how I go.

[tammyp]

if you are trying to gain, that is a much better plan. gl!

[tankygirl]

Wondering if any of you have stacked Var capsules and Winnie injectable???? I am starting the var tomorrow (if it arrives on time) but after discussions with my trainer, she is encouraging me to stack winnie injectable on top of the var after about 4 weeks... Her thoughts are that this will give me faster more pronounced results... which is good in theory but I am nervous about the sides with Winnie... don't fancy growing a beard at 50 LOL

If you have stacked them at what doseage of each did you use and how were they timed? Mr trainers experience has been with male competitors so I would be happy with a yard stick number to make sure I am not over doing the stack...

Also.... I have seen discussions about drinking Winnie on this forum... are we talking about the same thing as the injectable Winnie Depot or is this another form... I am based out of the US so I'm not sure if what I am reading about is the same water based injectable that I can get...

Thanx again for your help ))

[sassy69]

The sides from winstrol will be more pronounced than anything you experience on var so just be prepared. Whatever you do experience will clear when the compounds clear (ref:detection time for anavar & winstrol).

Yes you can drink the winny - if its "winstrol" then it will be the same water-based injectible anywhere on the planet (unless its faked - I don't think people bother faking winstrol because its pretty cheap & readily available). You can do it at 25 mg E3D. It doesn't matter "when" you use it relative to anavar in terms of time of day - mostly just more important to tkae it consistently.

I know everyone is "worried about" or "scared of" the sides with this or that AAS that more than anavar - but this is where you have to take responsibility for your decisions. The only way you'll know how you respond is if you do your own personal experiment. The sides are widely discussed all over the internet, so the broad range of what you see discussed can happen to you - expect any of them, but the degree to which you experience them will be dependent upon the compound, your dosing and your own body chemistry. Be aware that "really tiny doses" aren't going to make a difference in sides- you're introducing a dramatic change in your hormone profile even w/ small amounts. You're either using or not - "just a little doesn't" still means using.

Easily expected sides include:
- yeast infection (same as any AAS - recommend include acidophilus in your supplements to help prevent it)
- voice crack / change / scratchy throat -- can't do anything about this
- hairloss - this is similar to male pattern baldness - DHT - Nizoral shampoo helps
- acne - can also use Nizoral shampoo as a body wash
- facial hair growth - might be random darker hairs, probably not a big issue unless you cycle more / longer.
- some people experience low-grade fever / cold from winstrol (happens also w/ other AAS) - this can be the body's reaction to this compound - sort of like its trying to deal w/ the foreign stuff in it.

[tankygirl]

Thank you Sassy!
I realise that there may be sides, it is a risk that I am prepared for and accept, I have thought about this seriously for about a year and tossed it around for a couple before that...
I like the sound of being able to drink the winny! not a great needle fan, don't mind them but certainly wasn't looking forward to them ) Although wouldn't drinking the compund have a more profound affect on the liver compaired to intramuscular?

I have already started taking the acidophilus and milk thistle so that I have some in my system prior to beginning the cycle... Will also definitely check out the Nizoral.

I had seen the "flu" thing in lots of threads.... typical for me though I have just caught the normal everyday flu so even if I started the Winstrol tomorrow I would never know if it affected me that way LOL..

[tammyp]

yes taking the winny orally is harder on the liver than injecting.

[sassy69]

Thank you Sassy!
I realise that there may be sides, it is a risk that I am prepared for and accept, I have thought about this seriously for about a year and tossed it around for a couple before that...
I like the sound of being able to drink the winny! not a great needle fan, don't mind them but certainly wasn't looking forward to them ) Although wouldn't drinking the compund have a more profound affect on the liver compaired to intramuscular?

I have already started taking the acidophilus and milk thistle so that I have some in my system prior to beginning the cycle... Will also definitely check out the Nizoral.

I had seen the "flu" thing in lots of threads.... typical for me though I have just caught the normal everyday flu so even if I started the Winstrol tomorrow I would never know if it affected me that way LOL..

I just think its good to be aware of because often people will get the flu-like symptoms within a week or so of their first dose and then start to feel so shitty they can't train. And then they start to worry about continuing the cycle since they can't train. It can be a bit of a mindfuck if you don't know what to expect. Also if you start to get the scratchy throat, it might be part of the flu-like sysmptoms, it might continue w/ the cycle as your body's response to the androgen, or just as part of the flu-like symptoms.

[sassy69]

yes taking the winny orally is harder on the liver than injecting.

People also talk about ocassional injection pain from winstrol and choose the liver impact over injection pain.

Winstrol is often called the "snake bite drug" - it either likes you or it doesn't.

[tankygirl]

Thank you both again for the great info. Gee Snake Bite... sounds interesting... can't wait! }