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    Quote Originally Posted by Con View Post
    Hi Jud.
    Are there any pro hormones that you could take during a period of time off AAS that would not inhibit natural hormone production and would be kind on lipid/blood work?
    Basically is there a magic pill i can take to stay anabolic with no side effects while being "clean" lol.

    Oh i posted this in the wrong thread sorry about that!
    Without too much detail, pro-hormones are essentially "AAS" that require activation via enzymatic processes. In short, there's really nothing available that will provide substantial gains with minimal effect on the HPTA. DHEA is a pro-hormone, but it's not quite the ideal ph we'd want to be looking at to make those slightly above average gains.

    However, I have been recommending some of the guys I help train to use a cocktail of supps that I would consider quite effective for those who don't use gear and those, like yourself, are looking for a mild boost.

    D-Aspartic Acid - 4-6g
    DHEA - 75-100mg
    7- Keto DHEA - 100mg
    L-Carnitine L-tartrate- 500mg-1g
    Indole-3-Carbinole(light AI) - 400mg
    Chrysin (light AI) - 400mg

    Add that to your pre-workout drink and you might notice some drive and intensity. Some of the guys I have running this are reporting some very nice strength gains along with libido and pumps. It's not going to be comparable to a cycle of AAS. Though, it might help you add some intensity and strength gains.
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    Jud,

    I really enjoy your post. I was curious as to why you recommend 7-keto DHEA, since is non-hormonal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2jud View Post
    without too much detail, pro-hormones are essentially "aas" that require activation via enzymatic processes. In short, there's really nothing available that will provide substantial gains with minimal effect on the hpta. Dhea is a pro-hormone, but it's not quite the ideal ph we'd want to be looking at to make those slightly above average gains.

    However, i have been recommending some of the guys i help train to use a cocktail of supps that i would consider quite effective for those who don't use gear and those, like yourself, are looking for a mild boost.

    D-aspartic acid - 4-6g
    dhea - 75-100mg
    7- keto dhea - 100mg
    l-carnitine l-tartrate- 500mg-1g
    indole-3-carbinole(light ai) - 400mg
    chrysin (light ai) - 400mg

    add that to your pre-workout drink and you might notice some drive and intensity. Some of the guys i have running this are reporting some very nice strength gains along with libido and pumps. It's not going to be comparable to a cycle of aas. Though, it might help you add some intensity and strength gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apex23 View Post
    Jud,

    I really enjoy your post. I was curious as to why you recommend 7-keto DHEA, since is non-hormonal?
    Hello Apex,

    Thank you. I'm glad you've found the above post of some use. '7-Keto DHEA' has been used for quite some time for a few reasons. One reason that I include the supplement into that specific stack is due to it's ability to increase resting metabolic rate by supporting thyroid hormone(s)/function and decreasing cortisol levels to some degree. There may also be some evidence to suggest 7-Keto DHEA may increase insulin sensitivity. To what degree, I'm not quite sure. However, I have seen some significant improvements in body composition when added to supplement ones diet without making changes to the diet and or exercise program.
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    I have always used 200mg or more of 7-keto...I have read it has a poor bioavailability..not sure how true this may be. How much do you normally use while dieting?

    By the way, I plan on using Custom Capsules to create more own formula. Thanks for the info...

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    Quote Originally Posted by apex23 View Post
    I have always used 200mg or more of 7-keto...I have read it has a poor bioavailability..not sure how true this may be. How much do you normally use while dieting?

    By the way, I plan on using Custom Capsules to create more own formula. Thanks for the info...
    It's bioavailability isn't that poor, but it's not amazing by any means. I've seen guys use up to 1400-2000mg for a period of 6-8 weeks. I used roughly 700mg-1000mg when I was dieting.
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    J2JUD : THINKING OF RUNNING HAVOC CYCLE,IM A NEWBIE TO PH/DS, CAUSE ITS MY FIRST TIME DO YA THINK 10MG PER DAY FOR FIRST WEEK,20 FOLLOWING 2 WEEKS AND 30 LAST WEEK,or should i just do 20/20/20/20. thinkin of test charge as pct,the company i get my supps off told me this is would be perfect,no need for a serm but i would like your opinion on this seen as u know ur stuff.

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    or maybe dianabol/nolvadex . dbol :20/20/30/30 nolvadex: 10/15/15/10

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    great informative info bro..thanks

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