I heard that Corn starch is the same thing as waxy maze is this true?

**Ryan Bracewell** · 05-29-2010, 03:29 PM

These threads are usually started to create a debate about WMS effectiveness, which is fucking retarded. You should not base your opinion on one or two studies. Spend the $30-50 and try it for your self. Either you see gains or you don't. There could be a supp out there that only 1 of 10 people really respond to, but if your one of the few that respond then it's a great product.....atleast for you. Too many people put there nutritional and supplemental opinions in other peoples hands, come up with the opinion for yourself.

FYI, this is not ment for any one specific person in this thread, just a rant.

**Tre** · 05-29-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Kimble

I heard that Corn starch is the same thing as waxy maze is this true? Isn't waxy maze the same thing ?

Yes.

Can anybody tell me what the difference is between Waxy Maze and regular Cornstarch?

$36/lb

Can we just take in Cornstarch Pre and Post workout?

Yes.

**medium195** · 05-29-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan Bracewell

These threads are usually started to create a debate about WMS effectiveness, which is fucking retarded. You should not base your opinion on one or two studies. Spend the $30-50 and try it for your self. Either you see gains or you don't. There could be a supp out there that only 1 of 10 people really respond to, but if your one of the few that respond then it's a great product.....atleast for you. Too many people put there nutritional and supplemental opinions in other peoples hands, come up with the opinion for yourself.

FYI, this is not ment for any one specific person in this thread, just a rant.

wow

**HeavyDutyGuy** · 05-29-2010, 06:18 PM

Just eat some corn with your chicken, fish or steak, some oatmeal with your eggs- paying a lot of money for CARBS is just absurd, unless you have money to burn..

**Amazon Doll** · 05-30-2010, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by HeavyDutyGuy

Just eat some corn with your chicken, fish or steak, some oatmeal with your eggs- paying a lot of money for CARBS is just absurd, unless you have money to burn..

Or you are bulking and sick of eating and chewing all day long...... Then drinking your carbs is a fast and easy way to get them.

**tiramisu** · 05-30-2010, 02:32 AM

We certainly are funny animals. Take the carbs out of milk and then add the carbs back in with really expensive corn starch.

A quart of chocolate milk pwo is a heck of a lot cheaper.

**TPT** · 05-30-2010, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Ryan Bracewell

These threads are usually started to create a debate about WMS effectiveness, which is fucking retarded. You should not base your opinion on one or two studies. Spend the $30-50 and try it for your self. Either you see gains or you don't. There could be a supp out there that only 1 of 10 people really respond to, but if your one of the few that respond then it's a great product.....atleast for you. Too many people put there nutritional and supplemental opinions in other peoples hands, come up with the opinion for yourself.

FYI, this is not ment for any one specific person in this thread, just a rant.

damn...

: )

**chris mason** · 05-30-2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tre

Yes.

$36/lb

Yes.

Tre, they are not the same. Read my post.

Oh, and to clarify, I am not suggesting waxy maize is worth the money, it isn't.

**The Ultimate Warrior** · 05-30-2010, 12:38 PM

Cream of Wheat. Pop Tarts. Bagels. Rice Cakes. End.

**ob205** · 05-31-2010, 06:50 AM

Joe293,
thanks for the link. Some interesting products there, especially the Whey fractions. Maybe these are Connelly's secret weapons.

>>>
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>>>>>>

**joe293** · 05-31-2010, 09:51 AM

Joe293,
thanks for the link. Some interesting products there, especially the Whey fractions. Maybe these are Connelly's secret weapons.

No problem, like I said there is a guy selling these bags from one of the Glanbia warehouses. He doesn't sell them very often but every once in awhile they are on Ebay. I think it's usually "buy it now" price of $210 and $20 shipping for 44 pounds. Before guys figured out what this guy had I was bidding $185 and winning bags.....lol. I think it's about $4.65 per pound of a pure whey isolate (CFM)!!!

**TPT** · 05-31-2010, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by joe293

I buy my whey isolate straight from the source. Glanbia foods has whey isolate from Kilkarny Ireland and ships to the states. It is then shipped out of the states (Wisconsin usually) to supplement companies. There is a guy that sells 44 lb. bags of the Glanbia isolate for about $220 from one of the warehouses. These are the same bags that go to your supplement companies to go in their products. With a blend you are only getting a portion of this isolate in your shake. I guess you could call it the purest form before your supplement company (middle man) steps all over it and puts in other ingredients.

http://www.glanbianutritionals.com/a.../product_1.cfm

thanks for the info.

**Boo** · 05-31-2010, 10:36 AM

Episode 503.

Boo

http://www.superhumanradio.com/

**Sean** · 05-31-2010, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan Bracewell

These threads are usually started to create a debate about WMS effectiveness, which is fucking retarded. You should not base your opinion on one or two studies. Spend the $30-50 and try it for your self.

Brilliant! Don't believe the un-biased studies that tout it's ineffectiveness. Go spend $30-50 and prove to yourself that it's worthless.

**Ryan Bracewell** · 05-31-2010, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sean

Brilliant! Don't believe the un-biased studies that tout it's ineffectiveness. Go spend $30-50 and prove to yourself that it's worthless.

how many studies have you read that apply to what you do exactly? Last time I checked they dont do that many studies using bodybuilders or powerlifters. If I remember correctly the main WMS vs Vitargo study being used to down play WMS is tested on endurance athletes(bicyclist I believe), so that does not really apply to people that primarily do strength training.

I am not saying studies are worthless, just that personal experience counts for more because everyone reacts to things different.

In addition, unless you really know how to research these things back, you never really know who sponsored the study. Any person that has a college background in science and research studies knows that you can virtually make the study "conclusion" look anyway you want it too. Its all in how you present the data.