Dave what`s your opinion on carb loading with 1000+ grams of carbs per day???

[Chris Pearce]

From my experience, I've had a REALLY tough time carb loading. I don't know if I'm pretty carb tolerant or what (probably... accompanied by my hard-gainer featured WICKEDLY fast metabolism).

For my first show I did my own dieting but adhered to Dave's 30g of carbs a meal on Thursday, 35g a meal on Friday and I was FLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAT.

My next show I had a trainer from my gym helping me. Because I had problems loading before, we started carb loading on Tuesday and we'd clean up later if need be. We also played with my water and sodium accordingly.
Our plan was to carb up early, then back off later. But we ended up pushing carbs all the way through.... This coincides with what Hulk said:

Originally Posted by hulk7280
because AFTER a dieting your ass off for 20-16 weeks.. you will BE flat....

you can load on that many carbs if you control water and sodium.. to be as full as possible.

load them early, then clean up any spill over and dry them out..

Anyway, to make a long story short... I started loading Tuesday night with 60g at two meals (total of 120g) before bed. Wed. I loaded 550g of carbs... Still flat, Thursday... 550g more... still flat...

We got to the point where I was taking in waxxy maize... Luckily that did the trick.
But like others have said, people respond differently.

[Steve56]

It all depends on if someone is already in shape before the process even starts...if a guy or girl still has bf...non of this shit will do a thing to make them look any better..it might even make them look worse

[hulk7280]

you can load on that many carbs only if you`re too flat so you can gain a little and be more full...if you`re flat you can still recuperate...but why then dave carb load on few carbs and others load on 3-4 times more than him??

Dave has a diffrent type of approach to the last week.. he loads carbs and FAT! you cant load 1000+ carbs and FAT! There are more then one way to skin a cat and Dave his approach and proves its effective. IMO, I like to include carbs in the entire diet, I beleive it produces a fuller type physique, I think no carb for too long and you start to look stringy.

From my experience, I've had a REALLY tough time carb loading. I don't know if I'm pretty carb tolerant or what (probably... accompanied by my hard-gainer featured WICKEDLY fast metabolism).

For my first show I did my own dieting but adhered to Dave's 30g of carbs a meal on Thursday, 35g a meal on Friday and I was FLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAT.

My next show I had a trainer from my gym helping me. Because I had problems loading before, we started carb loading on Tuesday and we'd clean up later if need be. We also played with my water and sodium accordingly.
Our plan was to carb up early, then back off later. But we ended up pushing carbs all the way through.... This coincides with what Hulk said:

Anyway, to make a long story short... I started loading Tuesday night with 60g at two meals (total of 120g) before bed. Wed. I loaded 550g of carbs... Still flat, Thursday... 550g more... still flat...

We got to the point where I was taking in waxxy maize... Luckily that did the trick.
But like others have said, people respond differently.

Every situation is diffrent.. if you have a wicked fast metabolism and your in great shape you can load on much more then 550 grams.. and then could have dried out on friday... I just like to make sure someone is full first then dry out.. because to do the reverse is damn near impossible.

It all depends on if someone is already in shape before the process even starts...if a guy or girl still has bf...non of this shit will do a thing to make them look any better..it might even make them look worse

Exactly.. heavly carb loading someone who is 8% bodyfat isnt gonna work.. they are just gonna get soft..

Someone who has dieted there ass off and is 4% or below bodyfat can handle much more carbs and is much more insulin sensative.

[powergraham]

true but also not true, If you force enough carbs in a short period of time time say 2 days of carbing to death your body will assimilate the carb and cause it to be stored in your muscle as glycogen.

I came off keto a couple of weeks back, and had a day back on carbs, had oats for breakfast, two servings of rice, and that was it. The next day I couldn't get off the toilet. I could force all the carbs in I wanted, but I wouldn't want to take an unscheduled toilet break on the stage either.

I think it'll be different for some people over others, and there are different ways to do it too. Each to their own.

[Steve56]

This is what I'm doing, I started taken pictures so everyone can see day to day what happens to my body.

MON: 200 grams every 2 hrs, 1,600/day...minimal fat/protein
TUES: same as Mon
WED: Start the drying out process by eating back to the way I was before carbing up
THUR: same as wed
FRI: same as wed but stop intake of water after 6pm
Sat: no water intake and eat dry carbs

will post pictures after I'm done

I would play tuesday by ear...by that i mean go by how you look...if ur still flat keep eating..but if ur already starting to spill scale the carbs back

[FIREBLAST]

Worked for Kamali during his entire precontest diet

[BIG DUB]

On one of the off topic shows when Milos was on he said he used a similar amount with Dennis when he worked with him and even that was'nt enough. I'm sure you have to have the fat LOW when using that amount of carbs because of the insulin involved during the carb up.

[LayItDown]

like i think someone mentioned earlier, depends on how "depleted" a person is. meaning how long were they low carbs. also how fast is someone's metabolism. if someone has crazy fast metabolism like people say Wolf has, it makes sense. Either way it depends on the person. no two people prep the same. heck even the same people dont prep the same each year!

[powergraham]

On one of the off topic shows when Milos was on he said he used a similar amount with Dennis when he worked with him and even that was'nt enough. I'm sure you have to have the fat LOW when using that amount of carbs because of the insulin involved during the carb up.

The macro's during carb loading vary wildly. You get some people who keep protein in (Our local show the guys were carbing up on protein bars and cookies which I didn't really agree with), you get others who keep protein out, people who like to include fats as that supposedly increases cell volume too.....

Personally, I'd want to be taking in just carbs, little bit of fats, and don't worry about too much protein. You want to be keeping the glycemic load high so that glycogen is getting into and filling your muscles up, but, it will vary from person to person.

[b-boy]

I would play tuesday by ear...by that i mean go by how you look...if ur still flat keep eating..but if ur already starting to spill scale the carbs back

LOL thats the idea bro, you want to load, spill, then clean up the mess. I have done it for the last 2 weeks and i load on about 2500-3000 carbs on saturday, spill and look like shit sunday and about 9 lbs heavier, monday morning back to baseline weight and cartoon character looking! same weight i was depleted but full as a house and dry. works great! skip hill is a genius

[powergraham]

LOL thats the idea bro, you want to load, spill, then clean up the mess. I have done it for the last 2 weeks and i load on about 2500-3000 carbs on saturday, spill and look like shit sunday and about 9 lbs heavier, monday morning back to baseline weight and cartoon character looking! same weight i was depleted but full as a house and dry. works great! skip hill is a genius

I'm gona have to write that down, that is easily the best way I've heard of carb loading.

My opinion on it has always been to urr on the side of caution, rather than take the chance of spilling over and coming in looking shit, but that method deffinitely gives you a bit more choice in the matter. What's it like trying to keep that fullness and dry out ?

[Ross Erstling]

"Carbing up" is total bullshit dogma. Don't drop your carbs, period. You should always have full glycogen stores, to think this will somehow impede optimal fat-loss is insane and foolish.

[BuffGuy]

"Carbing up" is total bullshit dogma. Don't drop your carbs, period. You should always have full glycogen stores, to think this will somehow impede optimal fat-loss is insane and foolish.

having too much glycogen can lead to fat storage.

[powergraham]

"Carbing up" is total bullshit dogma. Don't drop your carbs, period. You should always have full glycogen stores, to think this will somehow impede optimal fat-loss is insane and foolish.

Do you understand or even know the theory behind carb depletion and carb loading ?

The very point of it is that you probably don't have maximal glycogen storage, and the depletion and loading stage will enhance that.

[muscles_1976]

LOL thats the idea bro, you want to load, spill, then clean up the mess.

what does cleaning up the mess entail? just going back to normal eating on sunday?