Joe D's pct after 2+ years on aas log

[joe d]

Did you feel any difference when dropping down from the 3gs to 250mgs?
strength/mood?

it had a shock like effect every time i went between the blast and cruize on both ends. suspension is a bitch. day 1 on 3g is like instantly becoming the incredible hulk then the first day off its a hard crash. i would take the first of the 2 weeks off stuffing my face and laying around a lot with no training, i grew a lot in that time. then the second week was dragging a little bit then BAM!!!! day 1 of the blast back to hulk. it wasnt to hard to contain myself but i didnt like it. i was acting like i was without the high doses of steroids and that wore on my concience a lot.

stregnth went down also but size didnt so i didnt care i was a bb'er.

[joe d]

Its obvious i know but is it like going into PCT from a normal cycle for example.

if the normal cycle was a high dose of suspension then yes. there is no tapering with suspension the up and the down are within hours. the estered gear has the taper which gives you time to adjust mentally.

have you ever heard what happens to people that are all messed up on drugs and the medics give them a shot that imediately takes their high away? they freak out. the drastic change is what does it. im not saying its the same as comming off or going on suspension but its knd of like that.

[Ymir]

why did u choose to blast on suspension? instead of cyp/enathanate?

[joe d]

why did u choose to blast on suspension? instead of cyp/enathanate?

better results

[Kristofer68ss]

best wishes on your recovery joe!

[joe d]

thanks

[King-Of-Test]

Wouldnt be more tolerable if you had a base of 1g Enath fx. and blasted with 2g's suspension?

[Conciliator]

it will be a combo of clomid, ai's vit c, and some otc's. i'll list them all out once i have it down. im looking at 2-5 days to the start. last shot o test e was sunday. my nuts are good and full im just waiting in the test to taper off then i will start.

I'm surprised you haven't said anything about hCG. Your primary impediment to recovery right now will be atrophied and dysfunctional testes. To treat that, you'll want to get some hCG. If it were me, I'd get a 10,000IU vial and take 500 IU/day for the next 20 days (lower doses for a longer duration will typically produce a better response with fewer side effects like aromatization to estrogen or leydig cell desensitization).

Also, consider that you might not want to use an AI. During PCT, estrogen levels are already very low (as estrogen is a derivative of testosterone which is low). Personally, I don't think it's wise to take already-low estrogen levels and suppress them even more with an AI. Estrogen plays many beneficial roles in male health. The steroid expert Swale argues that an AI "ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?)." I agree. I'm not sure what your heart problem is all about, but compromising your lipid/cholesterol profile with an AI might not be worth it (in addition to other side effects of low estrogen such as lethargy, reduced libido, etc). In contrast, a SERM should improve your lipid profile while still blocking estrogenic negative feedback at the HPTA (which is why SERMs alone have traditionally been used for PCT).

Instead of clomid, I'd recommend nolva as your SERM. While there's no clear evidence that one is better than the other for blocking negative feedback at the HTPA in men, one study comparing nolva and clomid at the pituitary found that nolva is a stronger anti-estrogen, producing more LH than clomid for a given GnRH stimulus. All else being equal (particularly at the hypothalamus and testes), that would make it superior to clomid.

Also, one of the most recent studies looking at nolva in men found that it was highly effective at the HPTA. Nolva was shown to be superior to both of the newer generation SERMs toremifene and raloxifene at increasing LH and testosterone.

I wouldn't gamble/waste any more money on OTC test boosters like hcgenerate.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

[joe d]

hcgenerate worked and is still working for me. my nuts are hanging low and are full. your other points are interesting. i was considering adding nolva in in the first week. what do you think of that? in the past during pct i had high estro levels. my estro used to go ape shit when i went off of a cycle. how is this?

[THE-DET-OAK]

i have to agree, as ive said before, you want your estro levels to bounce back to normal as well........running an AI will do nothing but suppress them further.

conciliator......he said he was going to use aromasin, i was under the impression that aromasin was the only AI that did not have a negative impact on lipids?

as far as the clomid nolva superiority thing, that discussion could go on and on forever........ive seen you argue it on meso many times.........so until we do get some solid proof on what is better i will have to stick to the theory of using both.

[jacshelb]

Wouldnt be more tolerable if you had a base of 1g Enath fx. and blasted with 2g's suspension?

This thread has stuck in my mind over the last few days because I'd never heard of anyone cycling that way with suspension only. I understand the reasons. But, my thoughts were along the same lines as yours, something like 250-500 mg/ week enth or cyp as a base with the suspsension and maybe even some other stuff for blasting. But, to each their own.

I like to look at things from a somewhat long-term perspective, i.e. what can I live with over time vs. what gives me the absolute best results right at the moment. I want to feel good, stay as healthy as possible etc. but also make cumulative gains over time if at all possible.

No disrespect to Joe D. Just giving my thoughts in general. Hope the pct goes very well! All the best.

[gottabecool]

Again, good luck man. Can I have your back now that you are done with it? LOL

[joe d]

Again, good luck man. Can I have your back now that you are done with it? LOL

lolol you missed it. ive lost 28 lbs of muscle over the last 2 weeks.

[gottabecool]

That is some serious body shifting...any dangling skin?

[joe d]

suprisingly no.