Some basic truths about AAS

[Warped]

This will scare some people, or atleast raise an eyebrow or two.
This is a copy paste from a private board, where there are some real brainiacs. But that doesnt mean that its not true.

1. The more gear you do the more you grow. Sorry I know many of you didn't want to hear that but it's a fact. While going from 500 mgs a week to 1000 may not double your gains it will increase them (assuming training and nutrition are in order) and going from a gram to 2 grams a week will again probably not double your gains but again will increase them.

2. Something happens when mega-dosing (2+ grams a week) that simply does not occur at lower doses. Magic starts!

3. For growth heavy androgens are the way to go for 80% of trainees. This means a test base with fina, d-ball, adrol, or EQ. Primo, deca, anavar, winny etc have their uses but NEVER supply the bang for the buck of the heavy hitters and never equate to the growth of the big-boys. If you can't grow on test, tren, and d-ball take up bowling, you ain't gonna grow. Quit searching for exotic roids that you think will somehow catapult you to the next level. The basics are where it's at. The only thing that grows better on the light anabolics is your suppliers wallet!

4. Shots should NOT hurt, or hurt VERY LITTLE! If the mg per ml ratio is correct for the gear/ester a shot should not be painful and should not cause swelling. ALL common gear (in oil, water based suspensions are a different animal) flows absolutely fine through a 25 gauge pin and if you can give me one reason to use anything else I would be stupefied! It is NOT the amount of oil that causes pain, it is the solvent content. MORE IS NOT BETTER!

5. MANY, MANY people are simply not bothered by est related sides. I see posts all the time by people that have just always assumed they had to use anti-e's and have never even done a cycle without them. If you are not sure you should certainly have them on hand in case, and they should always be used post-cycle but why use them if they are not needed? I have NEVER used anti-e's during a cycle even when doing 3 grams a week test. I have NEVER had any est related problem. Even when doing synovex with the est left in. Probably 80% of people do need anti-e protection but if you don't need it why are you doing it? All anti-e's reduce the anabolic effects of gear to some degree.

6. Doing gear does NOT stop overtraining from occurring, it greatly reduces its effects but EVERYONE still has a point (volume/frequency) at which overtraining occurs. THE BIGGEST SINGLE REASON PEOPLE DO NOT GROW IS THEY OVERTRAIN, PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION! I always suggest doing a routine that someone knows they can grow on when not juicing then the gear will amplify the training results. Most people overtrain and don't grow optimally or at all.

7. After your first couple of cycles each subsequent cycle has diminishing returns. You lose a large percentage of your gains post cycle. Don't tell me you keep all or most of your gains. If it worked that way the average guy starting out at 170 that gained 20 lbs each cycle and kept 15 would only need to do 6 cycles spread out over two years to be a 260 lb FREAK. It don't work that way sorry!

8. The big boys (competitive Bodybuilders and powerlifters) generally stay on year round. I know many of you didn't want to hear this.....sorry! That is how they avoid the weight yo-yo's and consistently go up.

9. The toxicity of orals is SEVERELY OVERSTATED. I have never talked to or exchanged information with someone that actually had blood-work done while on that still thought they were toxic. The people that will tell you how poison they are have NEVER been tested while doing them. I have done d-ball for over a year strait at 75+ mgs per day while being tested. No problems. They should still be used cautiously but until you have had blood-work done you have no idea how they will effect you. Nonetheless people recommending only using them for 4 weeks are fudgeing clueless!

10. The longer you stay on, the better chance you have of keeping the gains you make. It takes the body some time to acclimate to the new muscle mass. People that do little mini cycles tend to be yo-yo’s bodyweight wise.

11. How you come off is VITALLY important to how much of the mass you retain. Have a proper game plan and execute faithfully. I hate watching someone totally decompose because they fudgeed up post cycle so bad.

12. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIZE AND STRENGT YOU SHOULD/WILL GAIN ON A CYCLE. QUIT ASKING!

13. NO ONE CAN PREDICT WHAT SIDE EFFECTS YOU WILL INCUR, QUIT ASKING!

14. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU WILL LOSE POST-CYCLE, QUIT ASKING.

15. All these things can only be learned in retrospect AFTER you have tried. Your individual metabolism is unique onto itself. You will never know until you try.

16. All AS work best in a calorie and macro/micro nutrient overabundance environment. If you are not getting 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight while “on” and training heavy you are fudgeing yourself out of gains. Quit bitching your not growing. Step up to the dinner plate or go home.

17. All this said IF your training routine and diet are correct you dont need lots of gear for great results. I often get new trainees that gain more training natural with a great routine and diet than they did on their last cycle.

[Gunners]

There is so much here i disagree with don't know where to start.

EQ is not a heavy androgen.

I used to run cycles without AI's and had no problems, however it's more effective to use an AI on cycle. It will increase not decrease free test!

The "magic" that usually happens with mega-dosing is usually a heart attack.

75mg of dbol year round is a stupid idea for anybody. Although, i agree the toxicity of orals is SEVERELY OVERSTATED.

[daywalker72]

idk about all this
im new to the aas game but seriously man

[Bryan Hildebrand]

be nice boys and lets see where this goes. i'll chime in later as will some others in the game i'm sure.

[ibt]

Should be renumbered starting with 17 to number 1 position, most noob's will not remember past 10!

[Gunners]

be nice boys and lets see where this goes. i'll chime in later as will some others in the game i'm sure.

Chime in brother, stop teasing....

[nitrous]

i do agree with some of it but i think some of it should be altered... like the more you do the more you grow.. how about the more you eat the more you grow lol i know tons of guys doing 2 grams a weak of test plus 5-6 others and really aren't that big...

also i have yet to find a test prop that doesn't aggrivate me a little bit but ive only tried 3 different labs so maybe its just my luck

[IzlamikPork]

Good stuff, Warped. I agree with all of it.

[jacshelb]

Agree with a lot of it. The main area I disagree with though is about the orals. Ok, maybe the dangers are overstated. But, mg for mg they are so much harder on your system than test, deca, primo (injectable) etc.. I guess I'm just a big fan of a good test base with a lesser amount of something else injectable. I really don't like orals- especially the pro-hormone/pro-steroids. When I took those they always made me feel lethargic and I did have higher blood pressure etc. But, I will agree, if you gotta go oral, go with d-bol! And, I never got tested either when on orals. So, I'll admit it's just my opinion.

[s2h]

got to number 1 and it was BS stopped there......

[Sledge]

I love basic truths that differ from other basic truths.

The basic truth is: There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those that can count and those that can't.

[s2h]

I love basic truths that differ from other basic truths.

The basic truth is: There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those that can count and those that can't.

i have 10 fingers and 10 toes and a calculator..........so i'm covered.....

[Big Sky Guy]

Fairly typical broscience and braggadicio mixed with some truthes.

[tiramisu]

There is no magic.

[jacshelb]

There is no magic.

Dammmmmmmnnnnniiiiiiiittttt! Noooooooooo!