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    Quote Originally Posted by ADRAKE21 View Post
    how many grams of bcaa's would be enough to replace protein powder throughout the day?
    depends on weight really...i do about 7g. x's 5 a day instead of 3 protein shakes a day and that held all my muscle mass and I weighed 235lbs....keep in mind i eat 6 meals a day

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    I take nothing just plain food !

    I keep my muscle and even gained.
    I used to drink 4 shakes a day , and i haven't lost any muscle since i completely stop'd the shakes. its bee a 1 year.

    Its all marketing don't fall for the trap!

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    With the price of wholesale whey skyrocketing (and therefore the retail price - if you haven't seen it yet, wait a few weeks) I would have to say BCAAs.

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    The easiest way to avoid this nonsense of supplementation is by developing a solid whole food nutritional foundation. Once that is fine tuned you may realize supps arent entirely what they seem to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NPCKnight View Post
    Protein powders I have not consumed for almost a year now.





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    I use amino's and protein powders. When it comes down to the potential of stimulating protein synthesis, more is ALWAYS better.

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    I was listening to an am radio show awhile back and there was a guy talking about how if we don't properly breakdown protein into aminos then we absorb the protein as protein into our bodies and we weren't made to do this and it can cause problems down the line. (i.e. instead of breaking it down into useable aminos, we're taking on actual protein he was saying) . That got me thinking about amino acids a lot more. I use some pre/during workout but that's about it.

    The only reason I use protein powder right now is that I'm lazy and like making a shake for breakfast: skim milk, frozen berries, flax seed, protein powder, 3 whole eggs, sugar free metameucil. It's like a good meal and actually tastes pretty good too. I get sick to my stomach if I try to eat solid food first thing in the morning, so I sip a shake like that. Also good if you're in a hurry. Not all of us have unlimited time. With families, business, friends etc. meals can take a backseat once and again.

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    I use powders because it is better and cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warped View Post
    I use powders because it is better and cheaper.
    Gee, what a compelling argument.

    I used to use Whey in addition to basic supplements i.e. Creatine, Beta-Alanine, BCAAs, Caffeine, Vit C, Joint Supp, and a Multi. A couple months ago I took the whey out and now eat 6 whole food meals a day; the difference is like night and day.

    Maybe there's truth to what Author says in regards to Whey, I don't know enough about the science to say for sure or not. What I do know, is I've easily made the best progress since omitting the Whey for whole foods.

    So, yea, I would most definitely opt for BCAAs and whole foods, OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheels View Post
    Gee, what a compelling argument.

    I used to use Whey in addition to basic supplements i.e. Creatine, Beta-Alanine, BCAAs, Caffeine, Vit C, Joint Supp, and a Multi. A couple months ago I took the whey out and now eat 6 whole food meals a day; the difference is like night and day.

    Maybe there's truth to what Author says in regards to Whey, I don't know enough about the science to say for sure or not. What I do know, is I've easily made the best progress since omitting the Whey for whole foods.

    So, yea, I would most definitely opt for BCAAs and whole foods, OP.
    What is a night-and-day difference? What specifically did you notice? Strength went up? Gained musce size? Less water retention? What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrusa85 View Post
    What is a night-and-day difference? What specifically did you notice? Strength went up? Gained musce size? Less water retention? What?
    Size, strength, energy - you name it. My weights have sky rocketed since using whole foods in lieu of Whey. I find the muscle has a significantly better look to it, much fuller. My energy is much better and I find recovery from workouts has been expedited. I simply just feel better eating whole foods. For the record, I'm not talking about bloat or feeling queasy on Whey as I never experienced either of those.

    The change was almost over night, in the way I felt. I changed nothing else in my regiment other than eliminating Whey, so it is the only thing I can chalk this up to. IF what Author says is true about Whey, then it's easy to see why the above happened. If not, then all I can say is going natural always seems to be the best course these days.

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    if you eat six whole food meals I doubt you need any extra BCAA's.

    I eat 3 or 4 real meals and have 2 or 3 shakes. I thought you guys were saying I could drop the shakes and eat 3 or 4 real meals and just take several large doses of BCAA's to replace the shakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheels View Post
    Size, strength, energy - you name it. My weights have sky rocketed since using whole foods in lieu of Whey. I find the muscle has a significantly better look to it, much fuller. My energy is much better and I find recovery from workouts has been expedited. I simply just feel better eating whole foods. For the record, I'm not talking about bloat or feeling queasy on Whey as I never experienced either of those.

    The change was almost over night, in the way I felt. I changed nothing else in my regiment other than eliminating Whey, so it is the only thing I can chalk this up to. IF what Author says is true about Whey, then it's easy to see why the above happened. If not, then all I can say is going natural always seems to be the best course these days.
    A couple of points:

    First, I actually made a video blog which talks about the fact supplemental protein is really only effective in the Western world for post-workout purposes (and even then as a convenience as opposed to a necessity) and in the case of someone on a hypo-caloric diet. In addition, whey only protein supplements really are inferior for any purpose (though they are not ineffective or 'bad').

    Next, you are mistaking the reason for the changes you have seen. What you are describing sounds like you were in a caloric deficit and no longer are, or at the very least, you were not consuming enough calories overall to be in an anabolic state. The fact you upped your food intake almost invariably means you upped your total caloric intake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris mason View Post
    A couple of points:

    First, I actually made a video blog which talks about the fact supplemental protein is really only effective in the Western world for post-workout purposes (and even then as a convenience as opposed to a necessity) and in the case of someone on a hypo-caloric diet. In addition, whey only protein supplements really are inferior for any purpose (though they are not ineffective or 'bad').

    Next, you are mistaking the reason for the changes you have seen. What you are describing sounds like you were in a caloric deficit and no longer are, or at the very least, you were not consuming enough calories overall to be in an anabolic state. The fact you upped your food intake almost invariably means you upped your total caloric intake.
    Exactly right, I presume it was a calorie increase because the body does not utilize the whey correctly (this sort of corroborates what Author said); essentially wasted calories and wasted protein.

    So, if the body isn't utilizing Whey the way it should, then with the addition of two (sometimes 3 chicken breasts) in lieu of the protein would make a huge impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheels View Post
    Exactly right, I presume it was a calorie increase because the body does not utilize the whey correctly (this sort of corroborates what Author said); essentially wasted calories and wasted protein.

    So, if the body isn't utilizing Whey the way it should, then with the addition of two (sometimes 3 chicken breasts) in lieu of the protein would make a huge impact.
    Well, no, I think Author is barking up the wrong tree if he wants to say that somehow the body does not absorb or utilize whey protein supplements. That is just silly marketing b.s., or a misunderstanding on his part.

    What I am saying is that 1 serving of most protein powders is just over 100 cals. That is not a lot of calories, and if you upped your food intake you very likely are now consuming a lot more calories than you were previously hence your gains.

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