your masteron experiance

**lartinos** · 07-27-2010, 08:45 PM

I have actually used it with an AI.
It all depends on the individual.
We all have our own bio-chemical individuality.
I also personally prefer the mast to the prop so to each his own. I think it is a great add-on to a cycle. I like it's effects
Stacked with tren too! I'm not the only one as well.
MANY labs make tren/prop/mast combo's for this exact reason. Will someone with a low body fat "see" more of a result? Sure.... I would not consider it a waste of money for someone else to add it to a stack unless they were poor and couldn't pay for food for their cycle. Mast is a great drug and the only reasons I wouldn't add it too more cycles are because of the greasy skin I get and the amount of injections with the prop ester.

**Diabetic Muscle** · 07-27-2010, 08:53 PM

I had masteron recommended to me by some PLs. So at some dose the strength is comparable to tren without the size gain (trying to stay in their weight class). I was told prop, mast, halo was a cycle used to pull 7+ in a meet by a 200lber.

**brandonp005** · 07-27-2010, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by needtogetaas

Its increases to strength and aggression can be felt at any bf%. The fact that it lowers estrogen and progesterone makes it great as a synergistic stack with other compounds like deca or tren. Again these effects are going to take place no matter what your bf% is.

Its vascular effects wont be seen unless at low bf% but thats about it.

I completely agree! Yeah, you won't get the vascular effect at higher bf, but it still gives you the strength and aggression that you won't get when using other AI's instead!

**blondie_bombshell** · 07-27-2010, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by joe d

mast. can be used in place of an ai fore those who only get a slight estro elevation. masteron will help you on cycle more than any ai will as long as your estro is down. if you want to prevent shut down use hcg or hmg.

its just another way of doing things. neither method is right or wrong.

Exactly!

**MuscleMitch** · 07-27-2010, 10:54 PM

why mess with letro and risk rebound along with the liver issues, plus you get added benefits you dont get from just an AI. i would stick with something like masteron like joe d said.

**Andrew732** · 07-27-2010, 11:00 PM

Masteron is one of the best DHT steroids one can use, and as we know DHT is our natural bodily AI which means it will keep you dry. One does not necessarily need an AI when running a cycle that includes a compound like Masteron. Not a fan of Letro at all... If you want to use an AI on cycle, go with aromasin since it offers androgenic properties, or one could use Formestane since it lowers progesterone/prolactin levels while lowering estrogen as well, and enhances gains. Those are the only AI's I would use with Masteron. Masteron can give more gains thant test from what I have noticed but to each is his own, and yes test is a must with all cycles.

**Nelson Montana** · 07-27-2010, 11:22 PM

The fact that you need low bodyfat to use mast is not really true. Hell, you shouldn't be using ANY steroids if you're fat. Yeah, I know, guys do "cutting cycles." That's just cutting calories and using non-bloating compounds, in which case Mast would be awesome -- clean dry gains. Of course, it won't grow HUGE amounts of muscle like Dbol or test and maybe that's why people think it doesn't work with high bf. You won't see the results as well. But one thing has nothing to do with the other.

**jbryand101b** · 07-28-2010, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gunners

As far as negatively affecting gains??? Letro has been shown to increase LH, FSH and SHBG! Why are you saying it will hinder gains? That's nonsense, sorry.

Aromasin, adex and letro are all far better choices than masteron for AI purposes.

when looking at making gains on cycle. estrogen is also an important muscle building hormone. If you are running a cycle of non aromatizing steroids, your estrogen production is going to be lowered, as your test production will be lowered. (this is just one means the body gets estrogen)
So you will already have a lowered aromatization of test to estrogen, d/t the lowered amount of test.

add in a powerful aromatase inhibitor like letrozole, and you are going to hinder your gains on cycle, as well as lower your immune system, which could also have an effect on your gains.

estrogen is an important hormone in the body, take it away, and you'll have problems.

one wants to control estrogen on cycle. not destroy it.

and increasing shbg? you think this is a good thing? more shbg to bind to and make ineffective testosterone? i dont see how you think this is a good thing.
but i've never heard of letro increasing shbg, so im thinking you mean it can have a lowering effect, of which i havn't read on either.

but as far as increasing lh, fsh, it will not help any of this on cycle. only post cycle, or off cycle.

you aren't going to prevent testicular desensitization on a 12 cycle with letrozole. i hope you dont think this.
you could use letrozole post cycle to help kick start the testes, but there are better options to use, such as hcg, and then later letrozole, or clomid, nolvadex.

**gator_mclusky** · 07-28-2010, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gunners

^^^Hmmm.... touchy perhaps?

The reason letro can have a negative effect on lipids is because it's very effective at it's job (in other words low levels of estrogen will result in a poor lipids profile).

As far as negatively affecting gains??? Letro has been shown to increase LH, FSH and SHBG! Why are you saying it will hinder gains? That's nonsense, sorry.

Aromasin, adex and letro are all far better choices than masteron for AI purposes.

Have you ever even run Masteron? It's completely pointless running it for what you mentioned as there are FAR better choices out there!

This makes abspolutely no sense and yes I have used Masteron many times and dome times at a high percentage BF but I am still getting the slow keepable muscle gains. Sure the vascularity isnt there with higher BF but the muscle is there and when one cuts, the vascularity is more evident and thats when I start back on the Masteron again. Works like a charm on every contest Ive been in.

As for Letro hindering gains, well I say from experience that it does and the same thing using Nolva. I don't go by studies. I go by actual use!!!!!!

Respectfully,

gator

**crossbellas** · 07-28-2010, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Nelson Montana

The fact that you need low bodyfat to use mast is not really true. Hell, you shouldn't be using ANY steroids if you're fat. Yeah, I know, guys do "cutting cycles." That's just cutting calories and using non-bloating compounds, in which case Mast would be awesome -- clean dry gains. Of course, it won't grow HUGE amounts of muscle like Dbol or test and maybe that's why people think it doesn't work with high bf. You won't see the results as well. But one thing has nothing to do with the other.

I find this agreeable as well as some points others have made. What I did was 100 mgs masteron with 100 mgs test prop e.o.d. in the same pin while dieting and noticed an increase in strength and vascularity even early on over 14% bf! It was a nice change from the 750mgs test e bloat and all. I did break out on my back more, suprisingly. I will definately do that combo again, the only downfall is the 2cc pin eod, which you get sore of after a month or so. My friends uncle ned threw in some tren propianate with each pin and clenbuterol and dropped around 1.5% bf per week for 8 weeks consecutively! He had some headache issues with all that. IDK which part was causing that.

**jbryand101b** · 07-28-2010, 01:41 PM

probably the spike in his bp.

**needtogetaas** · 07-28-2010, 03:58 PM

HMMMMM good shit in this thread.

**Gunners** · 07-28-2010, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by needtogetaas

HMMMMM good shit in this thread.

"shit" being the operative word. Would i run masteron instead of an AI as a way of controlling estrogen? No way, it's a waste of masteron if i am not at low enough BF. There are much better choices for me. Each to there own.

**s2h** · 07-28-2010, 05:35 PM

why spend the money on mast to use as a AI...unless you like to spend money than there are plenty of cheaper solutions...my point is use it in the latter stages of pre-contest unless you A:got it for free B:like to piss away a great supp at the wrong time...

**ceo** · 07-29-2010, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Nelson Montana

The fact that you need low bodyfat to use mast is not really true. Hell, you shouldn't be using ANY steroids if you're fat. Yeah, I know, guys do "cutting cycles." That's just cutting calories and using non-bloating compounds, in which case Mast would be awesome -- clean dry gains. Of course, it won't grow HUGE amounts of muscle like Dbol or test and maybe that's why people think it doesn't work with high bf. You won't see the results as well. But one thing has nothing to do with the other.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you're fat, lose some fat before taking steroids. If you think "fat" is anything over 9%...LOL!