Cycle advice

**Big Puppy** · 08-01-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Vivid04

Obviously using it every 5 days isn't unheard of.

Are you seriously quoting all these references that say take it every 3 to 4 weeks? You're using that as defense?

**Vivid04** · 08-01-2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Warped

I depends on the amounts oil you inject too. 6 cc of oil every 5 day is just too much. Then I like to break it up to 3 times a week.

idk what enanthate you'd be using that requires 6cc's to get 750mg, but I'd agree. However, Test E is usually dosed at at least 250mg/cc, which would only be 3cc's.

Originally Posted by tuffguy

Are you seriously quoting all these references that say take it every 3 to 4 weeks? You're using that as defense?

Simply proof that Test E doesn't necessarily get injected twice a week.

**Big Puppy** · 08-01-2010, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vivid04

idk what enanthate you'd be using that requires 6cc's to get 750mg, but I'd agree. However, Test E is usually dosed at at least 250mg/cc, which would only be 3cc's.

Simply proof that Test E doesn't necessarily get injected twice a week.

Well if that's the case then why don't you inject it every other month. Do you understand that 3 and 4 weeks is virtually 100% ineffective?

**Vivid04** · 08-02-2010, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by tuffguy

Well if that's the case then why don't you inject it every other month. Do you understand that 3 and 4 weeks is virtually 100% ineffective?

Answer:

Originally Posted by Vivid04

I mostly recommend twice weekly or e5d injections simply for scar tissue buildup.

Stop arguing armchair bodybuilder please. I never said to inject every 3-4wks

, I just used them as references to over-emphasize Testosterone Enanthate's long ester. But I honestly think every-other-day injections of Test E is too much. Maybe it's my opinion, but I know a lot of people who'd agree with me. You don't know me from the next guy, but I have some other references you may want to speak to like Heavy Iron, Mike Arnold, brundel, and Dave Palumbo. I think they'd all agree that eod test e is not necessary.

**s2h** · 08-02-2010, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Vivid04

Stop arguing armchair bodybuilder please. I never said to inject every 3-4wks

, I just used them as references to over-emphasize Testosterone Enanthate's long ester. But I honestly think every-other-day injections of Test E is too much. Maybe it's my opinion, but I know a lot of people who'd agree with me. You don't know me from the next guy, but I have some other references you may want to speak to like Heavy Iron, Mike Arnold, brundel, and Dave Palumbo. I think they'd all agree that eod test e is not necessary.

dave p believes in eod shots for long test esters...i know this first hand...since you mentioned heavy iron maybe he would give his input "since" he is one of your references...let the scar tissue issue go...what's your big thing with that??...man up and use different sites...christ you have 10-12 even more if you dare...if someone is going e5d scar tissue would be the last of there concern..

**Big Puppy** · 08-02-2010, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Vivid04

Stop arguing armchair bodybuilder please. I never said to inject every 3-4wks

, I just used them as references to over-emphasize Testosterone Enanthate's long ester. But I honestly think every-other-day injections of Test E is too much. Maybe it's my opinion, but I know a lot of people who'd agree with me. You don't know me from the next guy, but I have some other references you may want to speak to like Heavy Iron, Mike Arnold, brundel, and Dave Palumbo. I think they'd all agree that eod test e is not necessary.

And i'm telling you that using a 3-4 week injection regimen is incorrect. You will be at baseline levels at that point. So, no, it does not have that long of an ester. I agree eod is not necessary.

**Gunners** · 08-02-2010, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Vivid04

Stop arguing armchair bodybuilder please. I never said to inject every 3-4wks

, I just used them as references to over-emphasize Testosterone Enanthate's long ester. But I honestly think every-other-day injections of Test E is too much. Maybe it's my opinion, but I know a lot of people who'd agree with me. You don't know me from the next guy, but I have some other references you may want to speak to like Heavy Iron, Mike Arnold, brundel, and Dave Palumbo. I think they'd all agree that eod test e is not necessary.

Once you go past the 500mg mark, you don't want to pin less than 2* a week. E3D is optimal but can get confusing so 2* a week works just fine with enathate, i go 500mg sat 500mg wed if i'm using only long esters. If i'm shooting short esters i go EOD with enathate as i just mix it with the short esters...

Simplicity is what's most important, if it's too intricate you won't stick to it over the long-term, and that's what makes the difference really.

**Mr. Hyde** · 08-26-2010, 08:50 AM

I wanna run an AI the whole time i'm on cycle. I have a-dex, should i take .5 EOD?

**s2h** · 08-26-2010, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Hyde

I wanna run an AI the whole time i'm on cycle. I have a-dex, should i take .5 EOD?

depends on the person...but thats a good starting point......

**mr intensity** · 08-26-2010, 02:50 PM

i have done a lot of these 16 to 18 weeks eod shot cycle.... but i think there are a few drawbacks with these long cycles
1. It gets boring after 8th or 10th week.( as it gets difficult to up your lifting poundages)
2. Even though change compounds after 8th week but that doesnt make much of a difference after 8 th week.
3. Now for continously making gains( 1 - 2pounds/week even with an excellent diet and training protocol) for the whole 16 weeks you have to go 1g of test to 1.5g which is the point where all the sides start especially haematocrit levels and DHT related sides( just my experience).

so in my opinion its better to divide this 16 week cycle into 2 mini 8 week cycle with a 5 week gap in between.
so the need to up the dose or changing the compounds is minimized.

**Mr. Hyde** · 08-26-2010, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by mr intensity

i have done a lot of these 16 to 18 weeks eod shot cycle.... but i think there are a few drawbacks with these long cycles
1. It gets boring after 8th or 10th week.( as it gets difficult to up your lifting poundages)
2. Even though change compounds after 8th week but that doesnt make much of a difference after 8 th week.
3. Now for continously making gains( 1 - 2pounds/week even with an excellent diet and training protocol) for the whole 16 weeks you have to go 1g of test to 1.5g which is the point where all the sides start especially haematocrit levels and DHT related sides( just my experience).

so in my opinion its better to divide this 16 week cycle into 2 mini 8 week cycle with a 5 week gap in between.
so the need to up the dose or changing the compounds is minimized.

I wound up getting less stuff. Im only running the cycle for 12-13 weeks hitting up MWF. Its gonna look something like this, probably a little shorter

Test eth 250mg MWF weeks 1-13
Eq 200mg MWF weeks 10-13
Tren ace MWF 6-13

How much a-dex should i run during the cycle??