TestForce 2: The latest from Patrick Arnold

**retwa** · 10-10-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by HammerStrength12

My tubs just arrived today.

Did anyone else order? I'm curious to hear how people do with it as as stand-alone cycle.

Did you start your PCT/testforce 2 yet?

**HammerStrength12** · 10-10-2010, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

Did you start your PCT/testforce 2 yet?

Nope. I won't be able to post a fair review on it as I'll also be running HCG and Clomid (some people on this site don't seem to get that concept lol). But I'm definitely planning on running a solo cycle sometime after I'm fully recovered.

**Andrew732** · 10-10-2010, 11:11 PM

You should not combine HCG with Clomid since Clomid already has potent LH stimulating properties. I only recommend HCG during a cycle.

**HammerStrength12** · 10-10-2010, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Andrew732

You should not combine HCG with Clomid since Clomid already has potent LH stimulating properties. I only recommend HCG during a cycle.

I'm not. I'm taking it during the cycle and the 2 weeks the cyp is clearing the system.

After that, starting clomid+test force

**retwa** · 10-11-2010, 01:02 AM

So how did your cycle go? Was it your first?

**HammerStrength12** · 10-11-2010, 03:12 PM

Lovin it so far. Feeling better, mood's better, sleeping better, up 11lbs, feel leaner/harder. All on a very low dose. The plan is to ffully recover and stick with otc stuff for a while after. I have no intention of stepping on the olympia stage or anything like that, so I'd rather let my body recover and limit the number of cycles I do.

**retwa** · 10-11-2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by HammerStrength12

Lovin it so far. Feeling better, mood's better, sleeping better, up 11lbs, feel leaner/harder. All on a very low dose. The plan is to ffully recover and stick with otc stuff for a while after. I have no intention of stepping on the olympia stage or anything like that, so I'd rather let my body recover and limit the number of cycles I do.

Sounds like a very good, well thought-out plan...exactly how I'm going to do it, if I decide to take that next step. What's your dosage?

**HammerStrength12** · 10-11-2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by retwa

Sounds like a very good, well thought-out plan...exactly how I'm going to do it, if I decide to take that next step. What's your dosage?

250mg of cyp a week, with HCG and ATD on cycle. would have gone with Aromasin but didn't have the $$ and had extra bottles of ATD lying around. Not ideal, but considering the low dose, I didn't think there'd be any problems. So far, none, knock on wood.

**Andrew732** · 10-12-2010, 02:09 AM

Palmface, ATD is anti-androgen, should NEVER be run during a cycle, ATD should only be used as a standalone, not pct either. Not trying to be a diek but giving you some advice.

**retwa** · 10-12-2010, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew732

Palmface, ATD is anti-androgen, should NEVER be run during a cycle

Yup.

**HammerStrength12** · 10-12-2010, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew732

Palmface, ATD is anti-androgen, should NEVER be run during a cycle, ATD should only be used as a standalone, not pct either. Not trying to be a diek but giving you some advice.

I've seen evidence of this before, but are there actually any studies backing that up? Not to mention, I'm taking 20mg EOD, hardly enough to be detrimental to on cycle gains even if ATD did block androgen recepors. I know plenty of people who have run it in mild doses on AAS or PHC cycles, and still got great gains with no aromatizing-related side effects.

I've yet to see evidence that it's suppressive either, 6-Bromo is the only otc AI I've seen that was confirmed to be suppressive to the HPTA via bloodwork.

And you don't think it has any use in PCT? I've found it to be very useful for aromatizing compounds like SD, obviously when used in conjunction with a SERM.

But next cycle, I'd definitely going with Aromasin as my on-cycle AI, I appreciate the input.

**HammerStrength12** · 10-12-2010, 11:58 AM

Also, as there is really a lack of quality research on this, it is probably best to stay away from ATD for this reason alone if one has access to something like Arimidex or Aromasin. In that sense, I agree 100%.

**Andrew732** · 10-14-2010, 03:56 AM

Well I did not say that is suppressive, since suppression with ATD is highly unlikely, and HIHGLY agree with you that 6-bromo is suppressive and has no place in pct. Aromasin is my choice during pct that is certain, Formastanozol(td form) better on cycle.

**HammerStrength12** · 10-14-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew732

Well I did not say that is suppressive, since suppression with ATD is highly unlikely, and HIHGLY agree with you that 6-bromo is suppressive and has no place in pct. Aromasin is my choice during pct that is certain, Formastanozol(td form) better on cycle.

Agree with that 100%, if I had some I'd be using it.

In the end it was a decision where I felt the reward (anti-E properties) outweighed the risk, especially at that low a dose. But you're right, I'd never advise anyone else to use ATD on cycle. Just a personal decision.