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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intensity View Post
    i agree everyone is different, but here i am talking in terms of Dave Palumbo`s keto diet

    The Dave Palumbo diet is based on the generic 1.5g pro, and about .5g fat per lb of body weight. you should have a meal every 2.5-3 hours you are awake.

    now if you want to find out what your exact meal plan should be
    the best way is,

    to multiply the dave palumbos 200lbs(lean body mass) diet by the fraction of your lean body mass.ie

    if you are 100lbs(lean body mass) then
    multiply the 200lbs diet x 0.5

    if you are 130lbs(lean body mass) then
    multiply the 200lbs diet x 0.65

    if some is 150lbs(lean body mass) then
    multiply the 200lbs diet x 0.75

    if some is 180lbs(lean body mass) then
    multiply the 200lbs diet x 0.9.

    now as we know we all are different, and if someone even on coventional Dave palumbo`s diet is notgetting the desired result then you can modify according to your needs just like esplendido did,
    - if you are loosing too much weight then up the calories
    - use carb cycling
    - whole cheat day (not the cheat meal on the 7th day)
    etc etc...
    What do you mean multiply by .5? The 1.5 and .5 x.5? That drives cals even lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    What do you mean multiply by .5? The 1.5 and .5 x.5? That drives cals even lower.
    yes now, do you think a person who has
    100lbs of lean body mass can loose fat following the dave palumbos 200lbs diet...NO..
    100 lbs = 1/2 =0.5
    130lbs = 0.65
    150lbs = 0.75
    180lbs = 0.90

    the calorie requirement of 100 lean body mass person would be 50percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 130lean body mass person would be 65 percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 150lean body mass person would be 75percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 180lean body mass person would be 90 percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    however the ratios will still be the same
    for 100lbs lean body mass person
    protien = 100 x 1.5 = 150 grams
    fats = 100 x 0.5= 50 grams

    and same ratio goes for others

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intensity View Post
    yes now, do you think a person who has
    100lbs of lean body mass can loose fat following the dave palumbos 200lbs diet...NO..
    100 lbs = 1/2 =0.5
    130lbs = 0.65
    150lbs = 0.75
    180lbs = 0.90

    the calorie requirement of 100 lean body mass person would be 50percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 130lean body mass person would be 65 percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 150lean body mass person would be 75percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    the calorie requirement of 180lean body mass person would be 90 percent of that of a 200lbs dave keto diet.

    however the ratios will still be the same
    for 100lbs lean body mass person
    protien = 100 x 1.5 = 150 grams
    fats = 100 x 0.5= 50 grams

    and same ratio goes for others
    You just contradicted yourself. Either the ratios change by the multiplier or they don't. The ratios set the cals as there are no measurable carbs.

    For 100lbs lean mass that would be 100 x .75 = 75g protein and 100 x .25 = 25g fat. Which is 525 calories.

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    are u seriuosly not able to understand what i am trying convey

    ratios remain the same ie
    protien = 1.5 x lean body mass
    fats = 0.5 x lean body mass

    now for 100 lbs
    its protien = 1.5 x 100 = 150 grams
    fats = 0.5 x 100 = 50 grams

    now just campare it to a 200lbs guy`s diet
    protien = 1.5 x 200 = 300grams
    fats = 0.5 x 200 = 100grams

    the 100lbs diet is exactly half ie 1/2 or 50 percent of the 200lbs guy

    50 percent means of the diet mean 50/100 = 1/2 = 0.5 x 200 lbs diet

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    just tell me how will you set a diet according to dave keto diet formula, for a 160 lean bodymass person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intensity View Post
    are u seriuosly not able to understand what i am trying convey

    ratios remain the same ie
    protien = 1.5 x lean body mass
    fats = 0.5 x lean body mass

    now for 100 lbs
    its protien = 1.5 x 100 = 150 grams
    fats = 0.5 x 100 = 50 grams

    now just campare it to a 200lbs guy`s diet
    protien = 1.5 x 200 = 300grams
    fats = 0.5 x 200 = 100grams

    the 100lbs diet is exactly half ie 1/2 or 50 percent of the 200lbs guy

    50 percent means of the diet mean 50/100 = 1/2 = 0.5of the diet
    Lol! I'm an engineer and former math major so I take statements literally. Which is why I asked for the clarification on "to multiply the dave palumbos 200lbs(lean body mass) diet by the fraction of your lean body mass.ie.."

    You don't multiply 1.5 and .5 by .5 as I asked. No multipliers are needed at all. One goes strictly by the macros. The calories for various weights however will differ by those multipliers due to lbm. The multipliers are extraneous info that just happen to fall out of the math.

    Which brings me back to my original comment. "Using that formula I'd only be eating 945 cals a day" which is below my basal metabolic rate and insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    Lol! I'm an engineer and former math major so I take statements literally. Which is why I asked for the clarification on "to multiply the dave palumbos 200lbs(lean body mass) diet by the fraction of your lean body mass.ie.."

    You don't multiply 1.5 and .5 by .5 as I asked. No multipliers are needed at all. One goes strictly by the macros. The calories however will differ by that multiplier due to the lessor lbm. The multipliers are extraneous info that just happen to fall out of the math.

    Which brings me back to my original comment. "Using that formula I'd only be eating 945 cals a day" which is below my basal metabolic rate and insane.
    see dave`s keto diet formula is just a great REFERENCE POINT,
    esplendido was once dieting under daves guidance, and although his conditioning was great but he lost too much muscle mass.... which is probably the reason he does his own modified version of the keto diet...

    at the same time i have known people who find it difficult to loose fat on dave`s keto diet, they need to lower calories even more.....

    so all precontest diet are based on assumptions which run around these KEY REFERENCE POINTS,

    if one follows daves diet to its strictest sense and does not like the results, then it simply means the person needs to modify the diet,
    as in your case, you say that you probably need more calories campared to the ones calculated by the formula.... then definetly you must go with what by HOW YOU FEEL....in the end it the result what matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldiewonkanobi View Post
    Esp...is this a typo? I take 2g EFAs daily. The entire bottle has 144 capsules @ 1g each.

    Agree with protein/carb management.

    Baldie
    Yep. Supposed to be mg.....good catch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intensity View Post
    see dave`s keto diet formula is just a great REFERENCE POINT,
    esplendido was once dieting under daves guidance, and although his conditioning was great but he lost too much muscle mass.... which is probably the reason he does his own modified version of the keto diet...

    at the same time i have known people who find it difficult to loose fat on dave`s keto diet, they need to lower calories even more.....

    so all precontest diet are based on assumptions which run around these KEY REFERENCE POINTS,

    if one follows daves diet to its strictest sense and does not like the results, then it simply means the person needs to modify the diet,
    as in your case, you say that you probably need more calories campared to the ones calculated by the formula.... then definetly you must go with what by HOW YOU FEEL....in the end it the result what matters.
    Personally I am not a fan of keto diets. I can see where in the later stages of contest prep where one is so low cal and managing hydration where it falls out as such. But my understanding was the OP just wanted to lose fat. Not do contest prep. In his case keto would be an extreme choice. Given that he already thinks he has to eat so little to lose fat I'd be even more leery about trying to follow that plan. Instead I think he needs to really dig into his eating history, his workout routine, and figure out why his metabolism is so sluggish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esplendido View Post
    Yep. Supposed to be mg.....good catch!
    Brain fart.....I meant what I first posted....grams. Gotta stop waking up from sleep and checking this site.

    Most bbers don't eat enough fat, especially during cutting phase. Carbs are the enemy in cutting.

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    Another consideration is how efficient one's metabolism is. As you reduce calories and your VO2 improves, your basal metabolic rate decreases significantly. My wife, who at the beginning of a cutting phase can lose a pound a week on 1400 cals and 1 hr cardio/day, but 8 weeks later has to go to 800 cals and 3 hrs of cardio/day to lose that pound per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esplendido View Post
    Another consideration is how efficient one's metabolism is. As you reduce calories and your VO2 improves, your basal metabolic rate decreases significantly. My wife, who at the beginning of a cutting phase can lose a pound a week on 1400 cals and 1 hr cardio/day, but 8 weeks later has to go to 800 cals and 3 hrs of cardio/day to lose that pound per week.
    Yep. It goes along with the leaner you are the harder it is to lose fat and not muscle. But again this is in the context of contest prep. Which is inherently insane

    Is 1400 her starting point or after leaning out awhile at higher cals? I know I can lose 1 pound a week a 1400 with only 2-3 30-minute interval sessions

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    LOL- see what happens to your brain function when running on ketones?

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    And boyz and goils lets not forget to Leptin Load at least one meal every two weeks when doing Keto diets. Some say weekly. I Ketoed for one year completely transforming my physique. Loaded one meal every 14 days. Sometimes it would be two cheeseburgers and a root beer float, sometimes an entire pizza, sometimes an entire choc cake with a qt. of milk chaser. (in my case lactose free milk).

    Leptin?? Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebirdmac View Post
    This is a red flag to me. I don't know your age/height/weight or workout routine, but guys who have to be at 2000 cals or less to lose a pound a week have something messed up.
    I live the life style and I rather maintain a low BF% than walk around with 20% thinking that I am "Big". And I am not "cutting" below 2K I maintain and keep a good amount of LBM. We're not all alike.....

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